Don't do chaotic raid again

[Teno]

It's kinda the corner they backed themselves into though.

They started to scale back the difficulty in DF tier content with ShB and EW. Slower folks finally got to enjoy something more than just MSQ.
Now Masaki Nakagawa wants to bring stuff back to HW/StB tier for story mode and us slower folk are going "Uhhh, now what?". He and YoshiP are locked on this pattern so /shrug.

Right now I'm keeping myself occupied levelling the rest of my DoW/DoM and crafters but once that's done? It's unsub time

Tf are you on. The current casual content might as well play itself given how uninteractive, easy and devoid of substance it is. They should 100% bring some challenge back and even then it was easy, it already was for very casuals to begin with. The average level is already rock bottom, let's not keep dragging it down further.

[Lilapop]

Tf are you on. The current casual content might as well play itself given how uninteractive, easy and devoid of substance it is. They should 100% bring some challenge back and even then it was easy, and that's for casuals too. The average level is already rock bottom, let's not keep dragging it down further.

Lets remember that "Challenge" is subjective. What you find hard isn't what someone who usually comes for the story finds hard, clearly.

[Kaurhz]

I know, his take was pretty much bs.

Not a waste of dev time?
Tell me, is it not a waste of time and resource to set up a McDonalds in the middle of the desert with no civilization in a 500km radius?Its not a bad thing to have, just the timing and place make it a waste to set up.

Same can be applied to chaotic, its not a bad thing that we have it inherently, its just that niche content like this should be only focused on when the masses are satisfied to some degree, that has not happened since yawntrail release and sure as hell wont happen until around March-May.

When they saw the reception of Yawntrail, they should have been dropping everything that can be categorized as luxuries and start working all hands on deck to course correct.
Its not hard to rebalance all alliance raids for max level on a fixed item level for example and give us a roulette for it with some totems as rewards that can be exchanged for shinies.

No joke, i could probably do it within a week without any help, once i have an optimal hp/damage output for a boss, 80% of the work is done, the rest is just minibosses and mobs.
And guess what, rebalancing all those raids are only "hard to do" only once/expansion, once you have it you are done until the next level cap.
Its not rocket science to create content that the majority of our playerbase can interact with.
But for some reason rebalancing outdated content for max level is restricted to 1 extreme trial in every 4 months which is rotated out, why exactly?
Why cant we have normal old content rebalanced for max level so we can use all our skills in more content?

Even if they cannot do bandaid course correction like this fast enough for whatever reason, its still better to delay the chaotic by a few weeks and putting out fires anywhere you can, rather than pour some gasoline on it by making it as the only content for 4 months and asking people to hang on.

To be honest, these two aren't even equivalent, there is still a good number of the raiding population that will do it and then those that don't raid will still participate, it's just the case that within the game there is no real facilitation to organize for large scale content, so it ends up being relegated to Discord to support long-term. Party Finder is created for content that needs to be done there and then, as opposed to being scheduled in advance. The problem is just that this content like everything else developed in recent history is that it is following the mantra of being half-baked. If they released an in-between tier for Chaotic itself then it would probably be a lot better, or at the very least if the raid was actually a raid and just not a trial, since everything in that fight could then be more evenly distributed across multiple bosses as opposed to just one boss.

I can agree on some points, e.g., rebalancing older alliance raids. I don't think it's inherently bad they've created it, they just don't have the facilities in-game to actually have pragmatic long term support for duty completion with large scale content. It's only a bad thing when a solution hasn't been properly thought out, e.g., giving a glorified trial rather than an actual alliance raid. - and if I am honest this issue persists across a lot more content than just chaotic for example. Orthos suffers with the same issue, as did Island Sanctuary.

[Voidmage]

This content basically is added to the pile of Savage tier raids current tier raiders already got this expansion, at the end of the day. Just with more desirable rewards.

It’s just collecting browny points with content creators like Xenos and Arthas imo who only care about endgame raiding.
They will praise it as the bestest thing ever, throw in a “a bit too easy for my taste” and “this is the content this game needed” while not caring or knowing how PF really works because they are in their streamer bubble.

Yoshida will be proud of it because the streamers praise it and sell it as a success with maybe a “there are also people who found it too hard but please just give it a try” and “we will continue to implement such content further in the future” as usual if at all acknowledging feedback.


Just wait till field operations are an afterthought in design (I wouldn’t even be surprised if we don’t even get a raid in there this time because of chaotic) and rewards (have a mount, old extreme weapons and maybe a hairstyle that they found in a dumpster like Eureka Orthos one, cosmic exploration will be Ishgard copy paste.
Oh and the next criterion will again just be numbingly easy, savage hard and soul crushing in difficulty.

That’s my prediction when I think how much dev time was probably put into this here.
I like the raid but it’s pretty clear they put lots of work into designing this.

[Fawkes]

jUsT wAiT fOr OcCuLt CrEsCeNt

[Daralii]

DT will almost be a full year old by the time anything related to the Triangle is out.

[CNitsah]

DT will almost be a full year old by the time anything related to the Triangle is out.

If it release in 7.25. There is a world where cosmic exploration is 6.25 and shade traiangle 6.35, which is nearly a year from now.

[Aco505]

Disagree. Chaotic is quite fun. The main issue is that P2 is a puzzle with body checks compared to P1 so it's harder for the more casual/midcore audience. Current strats (in EU at least) don't make recovery easy either.

[BristolRuss]

I absolutely love this fight and cannot wait for the next one. They have got the difficulty balance just right. It's honestly my favourite bit of content that they have added since Balesian Arsenal.

[Immut]

I like the chaotic raid. What I don't like is people bailing on the PF after 5 minutes like where are you going bro they're all the same, that other one is looking for a healer too it's not gonna fill up first.