Don't do chaotic raid again

[FlorineC]

Funny since Discord was CREATED because of FF11 and the lack of hand holding there.. I can't believe he would think Discord would be a third party app when it was created for one of their games. :/

Not sure if this is a typo, but Dissord was created for ff14 and league of legends, not ff11. Interestingly, before making Discord was in development, the creator had actually made a third party program for this game called Guildwork that added a lot of chat options and qol for crafting and gather and stuff.

[Kranel_San]

Not sure if this is a typo, but Dissord was created for ff14 and league of legends, not ff11. Interestingly, before making Discord was in development, the creator had actually made a third party program for this game called Guildwork that added a lot of chat options and qol for crafting and gather and stuff.

Some news reports states it's Final Fantasy XI

Wikipedia states FF14 and lol

And the amount of people who were in XI and moved to XIV is nothing short

[Roehann]

Not sure if this is a typo, but Dissord was created for ff14 and league of legends, not ff11. Interestingly, before making Discord was in development, the creator had actually made a third party program for this game called Guildwork that added a lot of chat options and qol for crafting and gather and stuff.

From one of the founders and creators....

"If you ever wondered where Discord came from, you have an answer now, and FFXI, Square Enix’s first MMO, is at the center of it. Discord co-founder Stanislav Vishnevskiy made the comments in a recent interview with Famitsu, where he said he was already working on an early version of Discord while in school, inspired by how much fun he was having in Vana’diel (thanks, Siliconera).

Vishnevskiy said he wanted to create an app that let him talk to friends and other people playing FFXI who enjoyed it as much as he did. Work on the app apparently didn’t progress far beyond that simple concept, but Vishnevskiy was still keen on it when he met Jason Citron, Discord’s other co-founder."

I have seen articles addressing what you listed, but from the founder, this is what he said..

[LuciaMirain]

I have run it now a couple of times. And my thoughts are: there should be a way to get to and from the inner circle. Sure, you can get IN again but you cant really get out without dying and being raised.
The fight isnt really hard, it is just very punishing if one person dies at the wrong spot.
What irks me the most is the reward system. If you find a team that can actually clear it, people arent really incentivised to go and clear it again and again. We got lucky this morning and had 5 clears in a row bc people decided it was worth their time during a bonus window. But still. Considering the amount of time you put into this fight, it is pretty ridic that you only get so few rewards. You literally arent rewarded for playing well and clearing often. You are only rewarded if you drag someone new through it and even so it matters how many new people there are. And then on top of that the mount costs 99 demimateria.....99!!!! Ive spent hours on this fight and Im only at 28!! If they change the reward system I will be happy. But as of right now it is just not something I will want to spend my time doing after I get home from work. IT is simply too timeconsuming for the tiny amount of rewards you get. :/

[Ravennes]

I have run it now a couple of times. And my thoughts are: there should be a way to get to and from the inner circle. Sure, you can get IN again but you cant really get out without dying and being raised.
The fight isnt really hard, it is just very punishing if one person dies at the wrong spot.
What irks me the most is the reward system. If you find a team that can actually clear it, people arent really incentivised to go and clear it again and again. We got lucky this morning and had 5 clears in a row bc people decided it was worth their time during a bonus window. But still. Considering the amount of time you put into this fight, it is pretty ridic that you only get so few rewards. You literally arent rewarded for playing well and clearing often. You are only rewarded if you drag someone new through it and even so it matters how many new people there are. And then on top of that the mount costs 99 demimateria.....99!!!! Ive spent hours on this fight and Im only at 28!! If they change the reward system I will be happy. But as of right now it is just not something I will want to spend my time doing after I get home from work. IT is simply too timeconsuming for the tiny amount of rewards you get. :/

be happy, i spend over 10+ hrs, and only seen up to looming lmao
not a single PF can do it reliably, even if i do everything perfect.
i fear i might have to become... a prog liar... (jk jk) but for real, this is what a lot of people do now.

[FlorineC]

From one of the founders and creators....

"If you ever wondered where Discord came from, you have an answer now, and FFXI, Square Enix’s first MMO, is at the center of it. Discord co-founder Stanislav Vishnevskiy made the comments in a recent interview with Famitsu, where he said he was already working on an early version of Discord while in school, inspired by how much fun he was having in Vana’diel (thanks, Siliconera).

Vishnevskiy said he wanted to create an app that let him talk to friends and other people playing FFXI who enjoyed it as much as he did. Work on the app apparently didn’t progress far beyond that simple concept, but Vishnevskiy was still keen on it when he met Jason Citron, Discord’s other co-founder."

I have seen articles addressing what you listed, but from the founder, this is what he said..

Interesting, I hadn't heard that before. Today I learned!

[FlorineC]

Forcing people to do 24-man high-end duties when, for a decade, all we needed was 8-man to reach BiS, makes no sense. Content isn't for everyone and PF will not be popular long term. So keep the same substats as 8-man Savage.

Nobody's forced to do anything. You can do all content in the game just fine with pre-Chaotic bis and it'll be outdated next content drop, but I think having more gearing options for the now is good actually. If you don't wanna do Chaotic to get slightly better, don't do it, but there's no reason to deprive other players of options just because you don't wanna run the content.

[brinn12]

Nobody's forced to do anything. You can do all content in the game just fine with pre-Chaotic bis and it'll be outdated next content drop, but I think having more gearing options for the now is good actually. If you don't wanna do Chaotic to get slightly better, don't do it, but there's no reason to deprive other players of options just because you don't wanna run the content.

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

[Lilapop]

If you want the actual BiS, yes, you are forced to do it on most jobs, if not all. High-end raiding in this game was always about 8 players. Why change the formula when you built a raiding community around 8-man content for 10 years?

Also what you've said in the beggining is completely wrong. There's a chance some pieces from Chaotic will be Ultimate BiS(they are now), so stating that they'll become outdated is completely wrong.

Why change it? Because its 10 years later and the same formula is clearly showing its issues throughout this entire expansion. Or would you like another reason?