Don't do chaotic raid again

[BigCheez]

Savage being midcore content is the greatest lie being told on these forums, and people truly believe that. Its incredible.
Just because you can clear a tier after months does not make it "midcore". Most people can clear any game if they keep banging their head against it and practice playing. That is the player improving/learning, not the game being easy/midcore/casual.

As for whether Unreal and Extreme are midcore - that is definitely debatable. To me, they are not, because they require a certain amount of organization and are not simply "drop in" content.
All these examples though, Unreal, Extreme, and Savage, have a trouble with replayability and longevity.

What this game is lacking, imho, is repeatable, unorganized group battle content. Where you jump in, you do your thing without needing any pre asigned spots, and then its GG and leave. In that vein, I have yet to do more than one lockout of Chaotic, but it seems like at least in P1 you don't exactly need to organize yourself with other party members. A lot of personal responsibility there however, and its very punishing if you make a mistake. We'll see how that develops in the future.

The fact that you can clear a tier on content after months of approaching it casually definitely does make it midcore.

Unreal and extreme are on the lower end of midcore, maybe the top end of casual. You can go in blind and clear in a couple of lockouts (or a couple of pulls in the case of Byakko). If you're unsure as to whether unreal and extreme are midcore, the problem here is your definition of midcore.

"Drop-in" content is casual content, not midcore content. Midcore requires some, but not a lot of, commitment. Midcore content is content that you can chip away at without having to spend much time optimising. Unreal, extreme and savage are midcore content.

[ovIm]

The fact that you can clear a tier on content after months of approaching it casually definitely does make it midcore.

The fact that you need determination and months of practice to clear makes it more hardcore, especially if you are a weaker player. You stating otherwise does not make it true.

Unreal and extreme are on the lower end of midcore, maybe the top end of casual. You can go in blind and clear in a couple of lockouts (or a couple of pulls in the case of Byakko). If you're unsure as to whether unreal and extreme are midcore, the problem here is your definition of midcore.

"Drop-in" content is casual content, not midcore content. Midcore requires some, but not a lot of, commitment. Midcore content is content that you can chip away at without having to spend much time optimising. Unreal, extreme and savage are midcore content.

That is all your own definition of what you think defines midcore content.
I never said that I was "unsure" if this is midcore or not, I said it was debatable. Especially considering "midcore" has never been defined, and everyone has their own expectations of what constitutes this.

[BigCheez]

The fact that you need determination and months of practice to clear makes it more hardcore. Only dedicated, ambitious players will find it in their will to dedicate months of their gaming time for four bosses. You stating otherwise does not make it true.




That is all your own definition of what you think defines midcore content.
I never said that I was "unsure" if this is midcore or not, I said it was debatable. Especially considering "midcore" has never been defined, and everyone has their own expectations of what constitutes this.

You actually don't need determination or months of practice though. You need a group of people who enjoy playing the game. I know a group who started Arcadion on week 1 and they're still progging M4S because they just don't take it seriously at all. They'll clear in the next couple of weeks and they're anything but dedicated or ambitious, lmao.

IDK what you think savage is but I can assure you it isn't that.

Casual = low commitment
Hardcore = high commitment
Midcore = somewhere between the two

It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

[CNitsah]

You actually don't need determination or months of practice though. You need a group of people who enjoy playing the game. I know a group who started Arcadion on week 1 and they're still progging M4S because they just don't take it seriously at all. They'll clear in the next couple of weeks and they're anything but dedicated or ambitious, lmao.

IDK what you think savage is but I can assure you it isn't that.

Casual = low commitment
Hardcore = high commitment
Midcore = somewhere between the two

It isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

Idk how old you are, finding a group and planning your IRL activities to let that day free is the very definition of high commitment for the average adult. It's an engagement to be there everytime it's planned.

Lets stop normalizing "grind = good." Grind doesn't make content good. Grind exists purely so you play more. At least half the people BEGGING for grind right now will complain when the grind returns. (Assuming they've already done the grinds the game has to offer?)

Grind has been part of the MMO genra since the beginning, and a lot of us MMO player enjoy it to some degree (when it's well done). Please stop trying to remove something that is a core of the MMO experience because you don't like it.

[Lilapop]

Idk how old you are, finding a group and planning your IRL activities to let that day free is the very definition of high commitment for the average adult. It's an engagement to be there everytime it's planned.

Basic time management skills and planning is "high commitment" for the average adult?

[BigCheez]

Idk how old you are, finding a group and planning your IRL activities to let that day free is the very definition of high commitment for the average adult. It's an engagement to be there everytime it's planned.

I've run a number of statics of varying levels of commitment and I can assure you that most adults seem to be capable of reserving at least one timebox of a few hours per week that they're able to keep free. PF also exists and can be useful for people who work shifts or have trouble keeping a fixed schedule for other reasons.

Even outside of games, it's pretty common for people to have hobbies that require them to schedule time for activities. You don't need to be a hardcore climber to attend a weekly class at your local bouldering gym or a hardcore bodybuilder to attend a weekly class at a gym. To suggest otherwise is insane.

[ovIm]

You actually don't need determination or months of practice though. You need a group of people who enjoy playing the game. I know a group who started Arcadion on week 1 and they're still progging M4S because they just don't take it seriously at all. They'll clear in the next couple of weeks and they're anything but dedicated or ambitious, lmao.

IDK what you think savage is but I can assure you it isn't that.

Having raided Savage from 3.5 to 6.0, I know what Savage is, what the difficulty entails, what you need for clearing, and based on my knowledge and experience with the game I absolutely disagree with you considering Savage midcore content.

But carry on otherwise, if it pleases you.

[BigCheez]

Having raided Savage from 3.5 to 6.0, I know what Savage is, what the difficulty entails, what you need for clearing, and based on my knowledge and experience with the game I absolutely disagree with you considering Savage midcore content.

But carry on otherwise, if it pleases you.

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