How not to be a mentor

[Rikizza]

If you're using healing spells in a dungeon and then getting mad at being pointed out for it, I'm going to assume you're the one in the wrong. These dungeons can be done entirely without a healer, there's no reason to be using healing GCDs at all in them. Also "feeling safe to do so" lol it's always safe.

Yeah but that also requires a tank who knows what they’re doing. Many times i have healed the tank manages to almost die several times in dungeons. I have to heal a shit ton just for the group to get through some mobs sometimes. People in these forums act like healers arent needed and that all tanks are perfect… are we playing the same game lol ?? Have i just been extremely unlucky everytime im a healer?? Which seems unlikely…

[Supersnow845]

Yeah but that also requires a tank who knows what they’re doing. Many times i have healed the tank manages to almost die several times in dungeons. I have to heal a shit ton just for the group to get through some mobs sometimes. People in these forums act like healers arent needed and that all tanks are perfect… are we playing the same game lol ?? Have i just been extremely unlucky everytime im a healer?? Which seems unlikely…

No it’s just we are at the point of healer CD’s (especially on SCH/SGE) where the tanks performance is functionally irreverent to your own healing plan because the tank can be a paper thin zero mitigator and it shouldn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate this problem

If your tank is good you are irrelevant, if your tank is bad it doesn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate it. In high level content if you are relying on the tank to be decent to not completely come apart at the seams you are doing something wrong

[ZephyrMenodora]

No it’s just we are at the point of healer CD’s (especially on SCH/SGE) where the tanks performance is functionally irreverent to your own healing plan because the tank can be a paper thin zero mitigator and it shouldn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate this problem

If your tank is good you are irrelevant, if your tank is bad it doesn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate it. In high level content if you are relying on the tank to be decent to not completely come apart at the seams you are doing something wrong

This just simply isn’t true with some tanks and also assumes the dps never need resources and attention.

[Rikizza]

No it’s just we are at the point of healer CD’s (especially on SCH/SGE) where the tanks performance is functionally irreverent to your own healing plan because the tank can be a paper thin zero mitigator and it shouldn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate this problem

If your tank is good you are irrelevant, if your tank is bad it doesn’t matter because you have so many CD’s to mitigate it. In high level content if you are relying on the tank to be decent to not completely come apart at the seams you are doing something wrong

I must be doing something wrong then. This made no sense to me. What does healer cooldown have to do with anything? Confusion.
Also Isnt this to over complicate things? Heal when they have little hp,(which is alot if you are with tanks who dont use defensive abillities and when people dont know mechs) dps when everyones good. No?

[Supersnow845]

This just simply isn’t true with some tanks and also assumes the dps never need resources and attention.

That’s why you have AOE abilities. Again I’ll say if your rank is collapsing under you in high level content you are not using your CD’s properly, healers are simply drowning in them. Like you easily have 4 to 5 times as many CD’s as you actually need in any given encounter and most of them are AOE or passive

I must be doing something wrong then :/ this made no sense to me. What does healer cooldown have to do with anything? Confusion

You as the healer have enough CD’s to keep the tank alive regardless of what the tank is doing. Your CD’s matter, use them all. SCH is literally drowning in overpowered heals, the tank doesn’t need to be competent for you to keep them running almost effortlessly

[ZephyrMenodora]

I must be doing something wrong then :/ this made no sense to me. What does healer cooldown have to do with anything? Confusion

He’s suggesting that even if the tank uses no mitigation, is undergeared, and stands in every AE we have oGCD tools to manage this and never have to gcd heal. It’s simply not true. There are plenty of times I’ve had pug tanks that sucked up every cooldown and I had to spam cure2 to prevent their death after holy stuns wore off.

[Rikizza]

He’s suggesting that even if the tank uses no mitigation, is undergeared, and stands in every AE we have oGCD tools to manage this and never have to gcd heal. It’s simply not true. There are plenty of times I’ve had pug tanks that sucked up every cooldown and I had to spam cure2 to prevent their death after holy stuns wore off.

Same here. I believe im a good enough healer and if the tank is bad hes gonna lose alot of hp and maybe even be near death. I dont know why i have read so many times that this isnt true and that healers are over powered.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Same here. I believe im a good enough healer and if the tank is bad hes gonna lose alot of hp and maybe even be near death. I dont know why i have read so many times that this isnt true and that healers are over powered.

In a competent group we have a lot of tools and are powerful. But as someone who only does pugs, I’ve seen it all and there are a lot of unoptimized groups of players who don’t know the content they are in, don’t have gear, don’t use their tools, and are stressful to heal.

My whole point is roulettes have so many variables on teammates and their gear and skill, yiu cannot claim a gcd heal is never needed unless the healer doesn’t know what they are doing.

Now that poster has their own agenda which is clear in their signature line and post history, so they will never admit that not all players have the same blessed experience as he in never needing a gcd heal in our gameplay history.

[Supersnow845]

In a competent group we have a lot of tools and are powerful. But as someone who only does pugs, I’ve seen it all and there are a lot of unoptimized groups of players who don’t know the content they are in, don’t have gear, don’t use their tools, and are stressful to heal.

My whole point is roulettes have so many variables on teammates and their gear and skill, yiu cannot claim a gcd heal is never needed unless the healer doesn’t know what they are doing.

Now that poster has their own agenda which is clear in their signature line and post history, so they will never admit that not all players have the same blessed experience as he in never needing a gcd heal in our gameplay history.

1) I never said you never need a GCD heal, I said you shouldn’t need to be spamming adlo for half of every encounter even if the tank is terrible. Use your oGcd’s, SCH is literally drowning in them, like I cannot explain enough how overpowered SCH is, it’s literally the strongest class in the games history. SCH’s oGCD’s can pump out tens of thousands of potency of healing per minute

2) I have no idea why my signature conveys that I have a blessed experience, I simply know how to press the overwhelming amount of oGCD’s we have, one or two adlos are fine, if you are regularly pressing as many adlo’s as OP does then something is wrong with your understanding of the class (this isn’t an attack on OP, this is an observation)

3) if I’m the one with the agenda why are you defending OP to the death that none of this advice is valid even as more information comes out that they may not be playing as well as they originally claimed to be

[Rikizza]

1) I never said you never need a GCD heal, I said you shouldn’t need to be spamming adlo for half of every encounter even if the tank is terrible. Use your oGcd’s, SCH is literally drowning in them, like I cannot explain enough how overpowered SCH is, it’s literally the strongest class in the games history. SCH’s oGCD’s can pump out tens of thousands of potency of healing per minute

2) I have no idea why my signature conveys that I have a blessed experience, I simply know how to press the overwhelming amount of oGCD’s we have, one or two adlos are fine, if you are regularly pressing as many adlo’s as OP does then something is wrong with your understanding of the class (this isn’t an attack on OP, this is an observation)

3) if I’m the one with the agenda why are you defending OP to the death that none of this advice is valid even as more information comes out that they may not be playing as well as they originally claimed to be

He probably said «your blessed experience» because you make it seem like you have never struggled as a healer ever. Have you never been in a party of either newbies or just incompetent people and it made you have to heal a lot?