How not to be a mentor

[Kohashi]

If that's the case, I have been misinformed by multiple people for years, and I apologize for perpetuating the bad game of telephone, but I was more focused on the lack of response, if they had responded "No really, check this <guide source>", I would've then and have stood corrected, but that didn't happen, there was no communication whatsoever.

That was the case before, however, the DNC has been changed and this is valid for a while now (2 years at this point).

[VeyaAkemi]

That was the case before, however, the DNC has been changed and this is valid for a while now (2 years at this point).

Ah, so it is a pre-pull Doton situation where it used to work a specific way, and now it doesn't anymore, so the old information got stuck around?

...or is the Doton thing something I been wrong this entire time about too? now I am legitimately questioning everything I know, the way I understood it, is that since using Hide will reset your Jutsu charges, you'd place Doton immediately before pull, Hide, and leave the Doton there for the boss to be pulled over temporarily, and you'd get an extra chunk of damage for basically free, but then they made Hide also dispel Doton, and it is no longer the case, but you still get NIN who insist in using their first Jutsu charge in a fight on Doton, even after the boss has been pulled.

But see what I mean though? I was wrong about something, I have been corrected, and now I will be a better player moving forward, this is what I want to happen in game advice, this is what has happened to me multiple times, and we absolutely had time for a brief conversation in that dungeon, the Healer took a few more minutes to come back, if they had pointed it to me, I'd have checked it up after the dungeon, and have done this small bit of improvement a month sooner.

I guess I should make it clear, I want everyone to be open for advice and discussion over those things, outdated and wrong information gets passed around all the time as well, it's best if we discuss it.

Why would they? 90% chance the person would double down and start arguing, just like this OP has been gaslighting us about the mentor that dared correct them.

I would rather people not go through their lives assuming the worst out of others, regardless how "likely" it is that they are going to be irrational.

[Ath192]

If that's the case, I have been misinformed by multiple people for years, and I apologize for perpetuating the bad game of telephone, but I was more focused on the lack of response, if they had responded "No really, check this <guide source>", I would've then and have stood corrected, but that didn't happen, there was no communication whatsoever.

Why would they? 90% chance the person would double down and start arguing, just like this OP has been gaslighting us about the mentor that dared correct them.

[Supersnow845]

I will also say that I know from experience people in this game are notoriously averse to advice and feedback, here's a situation that happened not too long ago:

I was leveling GNB, and got Akadaemia Anyder on roulette, party was me, an AST, and two DNC, halfway into the last pull, the Healer DCs, and we wait a bit for them, the entire time, the DNC had Dance Partnered each other, and since I main DNC and know the ins and outs of the job pretty well, I bring it up, I forget the exact words but I remember the tone, so paraphrased "By the way, you shouldn't Dance Partner another DNC, the buff doesn't stack with itself even from different sources, so if there are two DNC in a dungeon, it's best to Partner the Tank and Healer so the buff at least is going somewhere.".

I get complete radio silence from that, even though I felt I was pretty passive in how I phrased it, and decide to not push the issue, Healer comes back, and we start the fight, about 40%, everyone but me dies, so I go in chat "Should I wipe?", and immediately they respond "Nah, just clear if you can", and well, I have a stockpile of Hyper-Potions specifically for such situations, and I am able to clear the boss without trouble thanks to a couple potions even if it took a bit, but it stuck to me how they deliberately ignored the previous advice since they were obviously reading chat, it wasn't a situation where it was worth getting upset or even annoyed over, just notable enough to commit to memory.

This is why I raise an eyebrow when someone starts complaining about advice, my situation was one where they didn't respond at all, but I have seen so many over the years where people will snap back to the gentlest advice, it especially bugs me because I have benefited from such unsolicited advice before, when I started playing I was an absolute Curebot WHM, spamming Cure 2 and keeping full Regen/Medica II uptime, it wasn't until a run of Castrum Merid where the Tank went "By the way you don't need to heal me so much, I can stay alive, just use Holy when you can", and I was able to immediately internalize the advice and improve, so I tend to find it disheartening when someone is so quick to shoot down advice given by others, even if completely unsolicited, and much as OP claims have been doing otherwise, we do have solid evidence of how they play the game in content that is completely casual, so it doesn't come off as if the advice was truly needless.

I would also ignore blatantly wrong advice

Dance partner does stack in that you can have one dance partner and one closed position (the buff on the dancer) you can’t have two of the same but you can have one of both

So yes double dancer partner each other

[ACE135]

I would say the 0 damage in that one Alliance Raid doesn't proove anything in regards to the specific dungeon run the OP mentioned.

[-Kairi]

Some mentors don't even mentor at all, lol.
Although, making helpful critiques and simply being an a**hole are two very different things.

[Asako]

To those claiming that FFLogs is illegal I'm afraid it's not. It's just a website that you can reference at anytime. How the information gets there however is illegal software. You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it. Same as the one for the marketboards.

It's a technicality for sure but it absolutely stands. People like a good witchhunt and fear mongering but you don't need to run 3rd party stuff to check these things.

[ZephyrMenodora]

To those claiming that FFLogs is illegal I'm afraid it's not. It's just a website that you can reference at anytime. How the information gets there however is illegal software. You are not breaking ToS by referencing a website, only if you are running the yoke required to contribute to it. Same as the one for the marketboards.

It's a technicality for sure but it absolutely stands. People like a good witchhunt and fear mongering but you don't need to run 3rd party stuff to check these things.

I'm pretty sure using logs from a website that breaks the TOS and using that information against another player also breaks the TOS. How the info got there isn't relevant.

Good luck kicking someone in game and referencing the logs and seeing what happens.

[Asako]

I'm pretty sure using logs from a website that breaks the TOS and using that information against another player also breaks the TOS. How the info got there isn't relevant.

Good luck kicking someone in game and referencing the logs and seeing what happens.

Who is kicking someone for their logs? You kick them for being afk which you can see with your eyes. You are some pup I'll say that much, you grab any sort of straw you can to make a post. No one here mentioned kicking someone for their logs. I stated I'd kick someone for being AFK which is absolutely true no matter who you are. Obviously I'm not gonna turf someone instantly when they go AFK or barely hit buttons, I'll give them a chance but I'm not putting up with that for the entire dungeon / raid. As for the logs themselves we were merely referencing it to prove OP has been disengenious with their original post in order to play the victim which we are free to do as we don't need to use third party software to reference that public information.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Who is kicking someone for their logs? You kick them for being afk which you can see with your eyes. You are some pup I'll say that much, you grab any sort of straw you can to make a post. No one here mentioned kicking someone for their logs. I stated I'd kick someone for being AFK which is absolutely true no matter who you are. Obviously I'm not gonna turf someone instantly when they go AFK or barely hit buttons, I'll give them a chance but I'm not putting up with that for the entire dungeon / raid. As for the logs themselves we were merely referencing it to prove OP has been disengenious with their original post in order to play the victim which we are free to do as we don't need to use third party software to reference that public information.

You are suggesting that using the data on the logs is fine if you didn't cause the information to be there. Except using it in any way adverse to another player is not. "I didn't put the info on the website" isn't a defense if you say "Logs show she's AFK - kick".