7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

[Turtledeluxe]

not gonna lie I resubscribed because of this change. game has way too much going on. content gets harder every expansion and on top of that they add more complexity to the rotations, it's obvious they'd have to tone it down eventually. can't just keep making the game more and more complex forever.

Yeah it makes total sense to design jobs for years and years and then just slowly undo them all because a minority of players want everything to be an "I win" button with 100% crit rates.

I do hope CS3 is happy catering to a base that's probably equivalent to HW subscriber counts. That's where the game is heading if the trend continues after DT.

[HikariKurosawa]

Yeah it makes total sense to design jobs for years and years and then just slowly undo them all because a minority of players want everything to be an "I win" button with 100% crit rates.

I do hope CS3 is happy catering to a base that's probably equivalent to HW subscriber counts. That's where the game is heading if the trend continues after DT.

it's more like, the game has become increasingly bloated and busy over time. either they will have to dumb down content(worst idea), or streamline job design(best idea).

Forum popularity aside, I think the real minority is people who want this game to feel like a job. Games are supposed to be fun, not overwhelming. Make hard boss fights sure, but the jobs should just feel good to play without needing to make them require a PHD to execute the rotation consistently.

[Schan]

You feel like you need a PhD to perform Dragoon's rotation? o.O

I mean regardless... the DPS checks are light enough that you can get away with plenty of non-optimal play. If people want to optimize past the point of clearing the fight for the sheer enjoyment of it, then let them.

[HikariKurosawa]

I think it was too complicated, and so do the devs. It became unenjoyable to juggle the oGCDs and positionals. If the game is too demanding for me to enjoy optimal play, why would I play at all? There are very few people who enjoy the experience of "just getting by" with "non-optimal" play. People know what they are expected to do to play the game "right", and if it becomes too demanding they will tend to simply unsubscribe as they will feel that the game is not for them. Why would I continue to play a game that isn't designed for me when there are so many other activities that are designed for me?

People don't like being mediocre or substandard. They want to thrive. If you're so good at the game, then do all the ultimates and become the best dragoon. Are you really that good though? If it's so easy or you want to optimize past the point of just clearing the fight, then do it at the highest level. I don't think you're that good though.

[Schan]

Why would I continue to play a game that isn't designed for me when there are so many other activities that are designed for me?

I mean... If you want to stop playing a game because one job doesn't cater to you then I don't know what to say. Go ahead?

[HikariKurosawa]

I mean... If you want to stop playing a game because one job doesn't cater to you then I don't know what to say. Go ahead?

I mean, I did? Then I resubscribed after they changed the job to be more streamlined this patch. The job is catering to me in reality, not you. Difference between us is that I unsubscribe from the game if I recognize that I disagree with the design, you just continue to play while you complain on the forums. Who do you think they should take seriously?

[Schan]

I mean, I did? Then I resubscribed after they changed the job to be more streamlined this patch. The job is catering to me in reality, not you. Difference between us is that I unsubscribe from the game if I recognize that I disagree with the design, you just continue to play while you complain on the forums. Who do you think they should take seriously?

Ideally, both. People who complain still care about the game, but eventually they will leave too. If SE wants to ignore the warning signs then it's on them. I really don't want them to pull a Blizzard but it seems we're heading that way.

But overall, I agree. Loyalty is not a thing that gets rewarded be it in game or in your professional life.

SE is not very... savy. Just look at the 2135674845 gacha games they've made and shut down.

[Turtledeluxe]

it's more like, the game has become increasingly bloated and busy over time. either they will have to dumb down content(worst idea), or streamline job design(best idea).

Forum popularity aside, I think the real minority is people who want this game to feel like a job. Games are supposed to be fun, not overwhelming. Make hard boss fights sure, but the jobs should just feel good to play without needing to make them require a PHD to execute the rotation consistently.

I can see from your posts you argue against things as basic as positonals. I think your kind of feedback goes beyond streamlining. I also think it's incredibly uncommon whether it's from you or anyone, as the posts and threads about the alleged streamlining rarely, if ever, gain any traction. I'd also point out lately the team is less into streamlining and more into unilateral reworks, but that's semantics.

To be honest, I don't worry about it anymore because I have observed the subs and revenue of the game long enough to tell that game falls off during the patches, and it appears to be falling off quite sharply for DT. I'm confident that CS3's good will has largely expired. That's good enough for me. If they want to waste their IP and lose potential revenue, good for them.

And if DRG felt so much like a job...why has it been so popular? Where was the outcry for it be changed in this way? Meanwhile other jobs and roles have literal feedback to undo changes and it always goes ignored. The devs are catering to a small minority. That's just the facts.

[HikariKurosawa]

FFXIV is the most profitable thing square has going for them, it has been and remains to be the main source of their income.

I'm confident that you're expressing a minority opinion, and most people don't want rotations designed the way the people who primarily post on the forums do.

What it is is that, people who are unhappy tend to complain, and people who are happy just play the game.

[Turtledeluxe]

FFXIV is the most profitable thing square has going for them, it has been and remains to be the main source of their income.

I'm confident that you're expressing a minority opinion, and most people don't want rotations designed the way the people who primarily post on the forums do.

What it is is that, people who are unhappy tend to complain, and people who are happy just play the game.

XIV being the most profitable is a laughably low bar to clear when it requires a monthly sub and their console games are all underselling or outright flopping. Also their own financial reports show revenue declines as you get out from the expansion launch quarter.

You don't have any evidence people on the forum are special. Hint hint, they are not. They are just as valid a representation of the player base as any other website. You also don't have any evidence that people who play the game are happy. People could potentially be playing classes and be unhappy, ambivalent, or whatever. Just engaging with a job or content doesn't imply happiness.

I played through all DT and was very unhappy with MsQ and my main job. I quit, along with a couple hundred thousand other players.