Thread: 7.1 Dragoon Changes Complaints

Meanwhile, in simplification jail.

Viper: Hey you new here?
Dragoon: Yeah just got here. You?
Viper: Been here since 7.05. What are you in for?
Dragoon: I had 2 of my Nastrond stacks removed for no reason.
Viper: I feel that. I had Noxious Gnash taken away and replaced with nothing.
Dragoon: What about them?
Viper: That's Reaper. They were born here.
Dragoon: Bummer. What's the deal with the skeleton in the corner?
Viper: That's Monk. They've been here for 3 expansions.

Reporting after actually playing with this live and idk about anyone else but the burst just lost all of its burst feel for me. Not much hope they listen but this just took so much joy out of it

Terrible change 7.0 was the most fun ive had with DRG since HW but now it just feels gutted, Who was the for? Because now with the potency increase in mirage dive thats only added to more degenerate gameplay with double mirage during burst. This also has the knock on effect on just making DRG even more miserable synced because you just don't have any weaves period, like can we please not actively make classes worse synced? The reverse should have been happening we should be getting skills sooner or mini weaker versions to have a more finished kit sooner. It's just a depressing change and really hurts my hope for 8.0 because i thought most classes were fun barring a few exceptions like DRK, now im dreading 8.0 because they just aren't gonna rest until we have the most bare bones minimal gameplay to go with the Visual novel.

I am going to repeat what everyone is saying here. Removing 2x Nastrond stacks is a mistake. It makes the burst phase less engaging and fun. Being a busy melee is part of its identity. There are less busy melees you can play if you don't like being busy.

The whole point of having so many different jobs is for them to at least feel different. Instead the devs are focusing on making everyone play the same which is making some gameplay systems pointless (what's the point of having 20+ jobs in one character if they all play the same?)

Putting my hat in, please revert this. Its awful

So I was worried for drg changes going into 7.0, I gave it a fair shot, but hated it and switched to reaper, best decision ever since drg lost it appeal going in to dawntrail, can't even get upset at 7.1 drg changes since it went from a 0/10 to 0/10.

Side note, it's mind bogging how we went from the most badass drg design of shadowbringers to this, like what happened? Did a bunch of new players complain that there were to many inputs or did high end raiders complain about potential loss of dps due to drifts/forced downtime.
Nevertheless if changes like this occur without a good reason then I fear that ninja is not safe either.

I would also prefer to see nastrond being brought back in place of something like life surge.
Life surge doesnt feel great to use in comparison to nastrond.
If you turn it into a purely defensive action you would generate two free slots for nastrond while also gaining an opportunity to buff its healing.

boring change meant to please who? i was just about to speed level dragoon to 100 for my next dps, nastrond was fun... what was the idea here? i don't really want to bother with it now.

Hello, I'm making my first post on the forums to join in here and voice my dislike for the recent change.

I first off want to say that I understand where the balance team is coming from in regards to the removal of the two Nastrond charges. The DRG burst window is indeed very busy and fast-paced, with very little room to weave anything that is not a damaging button during our burst windows. However that is precisely the thing about it that I enjoy the most, it's the very reason I decided to play DRG in the first savage raid tier this expansion, in fact. It's fast, frantic, and very, very flashy. It is, in my opinion, the most stylish of all of the melee DPS jobs. Nastrond did a lot of heavy lifting in order to make that possible as the job's flavor/job fantasy/whatever you want to call it. It's a big, loud, red dragon being shot out of our spear at our foes, and quite frankly, it feels great to hit that button.

Do you know what button doesn't feel great to hit? Life Surge. Life Surge is an absolutely terrible skill in terms of how it feels to use. Life Surge has, in my opinion, one of the lamest animations on this entire job, and the sound effect isn't anything to write home about either. On top of that, Life Surge has absolutely zero room for flexibility due to naturally wanting to use it before either Drakesbane or Heavens' Thrust, whereas Nastrond charges are inherently very flexible. One can easily move Nastronds around the in burst window to change the order of one's oGCDs in order to adapt, unlike Life Surge which can realistically only be used before two skills.

Life Surge has a very rigid place in our rotation and there is zero thought required in using it, it's simply "the button you push before Drakesbane/Heavens' Thrust", much like Kaiten was simply "the button you push before Iaijutsu." If that was enough of a reason to remove Kaiten, then why are we still saddled with Life Surge? It makes a much more logical target for pruning than Nastrond charges do.

If you really want to ease up the weave-heavy burst window, then consider changing Life Surge into a passive trait. Have it make every Heavens' Thrust and every other Drakesbane a guaranteed critical hit or something. If that's not enough key-press-pruning during the burst for you, then get rid of Mirage Dive as well as that skill has completely lost its identity as of 7.0 and is simply another "button that does some mediocre damage" level of skill now.

But please, please give us back our Nastrond charges! The job feels so much less fun, exciting, and dynamic to play now!