Cross World Linkshell Capacity

[josezr90]

The facts CWLS is limited to 64 isn't just a small issue, it's a bloodbath to my chat logs at this point. With the ways data centers work, we need at least the bare minimum that normal link-shells give us... this is such an anti-player and anti-community stance that it does need to be fixed, and fixed quickly... discord is not the answer.

The answer is more intuitive game features and quality of life improvements such as this one that have gone overlooked for far too long.

Totally agree! Like... it's a topic that's not even mentioned in any of their updates, it is just content left behind!! They could at least put two people working on this! It is needed! I mean c'mon even Star Wars has a better chat system. To me those chats should have NO limited capacity.

[Avoidy]

Wow, old thread. But still relevant!
I remember so many live letters in the past where I'd listen and hope for news about CWLS membership increases, but it was like they forgot about it. Now we're at a point where cross-dc travel happens, so there're calls for a cross-dc linkshell even, but god knows that would be even worse somehow.
The situation sucks, I feel you. I don't even bother making new CWLSes because the limit is just so limiting and the basic functionality is lacking. Even if you wanted to purge inactives, there's no function in the CWLS menu that tells you when the person last logged in or anything.

[SaltyDaddy]

Not only CWLS. Rewrite whole Friend list/LS/CWLS system. Make this things cloud based and offload it from the DC alone.

[josezr90]

Wow, old thread. But still relevant!
I remember so many live letters in the past where I'd listen and hope for news about CWLS membership increases, but it was like they forgot about it. Now we're at a point where cross-dc travel happens, so there're calls for a cross-dc linkshell even, but god knows that would be even worse somehow.

Really? I have NEVER heard of they talking about this topic, and it is so exhausting for us who are in charge of managing a community, even if it is a small one, the game is really not helping. I was hoping for an improvement by 7.0 but no, same thing as always, but hey, let's add bubble chats! (nonsense) >_< i'm so annoyed by this!

[KernCadfan]

Let's face it. FFXIV was never really invested in "quality of community" quite the same way that other mmorpgs have been in the past, but also gone are the days when communities were how you did anything. FFXI might have been a bit overkill on the idea that you needed help for almost everything while you were still in the leveling phase. Even just leveling alone wasn't really useful on most jobs past level 10... but I do think that highlights the main issue of why CWLS and any other community implementation they've done has been lack luster, and continues to be lack luster.

Final Fantasy XIV is much less community forced, and much more single-player focused... because the game is much more story heavy to the point where there are solo instances (don't even get me started on forced solo instances in an MMORPG rant), that alone should tell you exactly how little they wanted the sort of the same community/unity among players... FFXIV is much less an MMORPG rather than it is an RPG that allows content with other players... now I'm not saying that design itself is inherently a terrible thing, but I do think it highlights why I always felt FFXI to be the much better "MMORPG" over all, purely because it adhered to the name in style and mechanics. There wasn't really a lot of single player only mechanics in fFXI. There were a few things, like the level 70 level-break quest to be able to reach 75... but that was the rarity, not the rule.

Unless we as a total player base push very hard for more group based content, and more communicative QoL features, we're just not going to get them... the ethos for FFXIV has always been less reliant on community than older MMORPG titles, and this means they care less about our ability to interact. I'm sure they see LS, CWLS, PF, and every other communicative feature to be bonuses for the players, rather than actual requirements... but because they don't force player interaction enough organically (there are no 15+ min boat rides, no 5 min airship rides, both taken with other people) we're kinda in a sad state of affairs all things considered.

I'm not saying I want 15 min boat waits and 5 min airship waits... i'm not saying that was a good thing... but I am saying that FFXIV is by its nature a very different beast from a communicative standard, because we can play through the vast majority of MSQ content by ourselves thanks to NPC's, and are often expected to do content alone in solo duties... this does not fosture the sort of environment where communicative QoL features become a paramount concern... not for players or the dev team...

[josezr90]

Final Fantasy XIV is much less community forced, and much more single-player focused...

I agree, and I LOVE people have the OPTION to do things by themselves, but the issue here is that we are only asking for a chat!!! Just a simple chat we can share with friends, it should not be that much of an issue for this indie low-capital company! C'mon!! Then why they did the world and data center travel? It is a social game, and a social game requires chats! It has many uses as well for hunting and stuff, but as a social game who says "dont use third party tools" (yet forces us to use discord or whatsapp or whatever) they should at least put a little bit of brain in this stuff- and don't get me started with the glam and housing systems xD we are just asking for a functional not-so-limited chat!!! Is it really that hard to approach?

[KernCadfan]

I agree, and I LOVE people have the OPTION to do things by themselves, but the issue here is that we are only asking for a chat!!! Just a simple chat we can share with friends, it should not be that much of an issue for this indie low-capital company! C'mon!! Then why they did the world and data center travel? It is a social game, and a social game requires chats!

Either it is too hard, or they just can't seem to grasp how desperately we need proper communicative features. I've said this for a long while, I love FFXIV, I truly do... but I also feel as though as time goes on and the game ages the devs and even YoshiP himself are failing to listen to the community as a whole. This complaints have been going on for a long time now, and Dawn Trail sadly suffered as an expac because so many people are fed-up about not being listened to... and I don't mean obeyed, just heard and responded towards accordingly about our concerns...

The player base finally collectively has more complaints than praise right now... be it the MSQ, healer strike, the housing issues, the lack of an at-level boja or something of the like to fill that "gindy" element some people want, or even the communications problems, and DC overcrowding issues (or the lie of that being the case, if some people are correct), the list can go on and on.

Overall, I think the majority of players has at least one major gripe about FFXIV that may not be "game running", but certainly does leave a foul taste in their mouths the longer it lingers... all in all FFXIV has had its fair share of being rough around the edges for a very long time now, and often forgive it because we do love it as fans.

Unfortunately, we've reached a simmering point where SE needs to begin to course correct before this fan base truly boils over. Communication fixes would be one of them, but there are several other fairly simple ones that should be looked at. Although I'm sure others have expressed the easy ones better than I can, as I'm no game dev and wouldn't claim to know how easy a lot of things are.

I would certainly HOPE this one would be easy, but if it was, you'd think they would have done that by now.

If it's not easy, well now there's room to talk and compromise. If it is just because they just don't care, that's about the time we should re-think our subs to FFXIV.... because if they don't care about in-game communication then we're all down-hill from here in terms of the much larger overhuals people have been begging for.

[josezr90]

Either it is too hard, or they just can't seem to grasp how desperately we need proper communicative features. I've said this for a long while, I love FFXIV, I truly do... but I also feel as though as time goes on and the game ages the devs and even YoshiP himself are failing to listen to the community as a whole. This complaints have been going on for a long time now, and Dawn Trail sadly suffered as an expac because so many people are fed-up about not being listened to... and I don't mean obeyed, just heard and responded towards accordingly about our concerns...

The player base finally collectively has more complaints than praise right now... be it the MSQ, healer strike, the housing issues, the lack of an at-level boja or something of the like to fill that "gindy" element some people want, or even the communications problems, and DC overcrowding issues (or the lie of that being the case, if some people are correct), the list can go on and on.

I totally agree with you, sometimes when you are veteran it's even hard to find a reason to play because of so many turn-offs the game has, even when doing something as basic as daily roulettes... and people like us who manage a mid to big community we really struggle cuz we have to find ways to make our community feel included, and this issues are really not helping. I just hope it is something they care about and that is the whole reason of this post, for us to be listened, since it seems there's no other way we can reach out to the devs. And yes, the game has a lot of flaws, and I understand that, no biggie tbh... I just hope they read this and make something about it.

[Hallarem]

You'd think the focus of an MMO would be the focus on MMO features, like mass communication. That's why I've been saying for a while this is a single player game masquerading as an MMO.

At least I think that is what the devs were trying to / are trying to do.

[josezr90]

You'd think the focus of an MMO would be the focus on MMO features, like mass communication. That's why I've been saying for a while this is a single player game masquerading as an MMO.

At least I think that is what the devs were trying to / are trying to do.

It do feels like that. It is kinda sad since the franchise already has tons of solo games