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  1. #8371
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    14 is trapped in the problem of the fact that it’s an MMO made for people who don’t like MMO’s so it can’t fall back on a lot of the old MMO design decisions that retain sub numbers

    For example in RuneScape they don’t need to drip feed you gear because they can introduce a new skill that gives 40k experience per hour and level 99 is 13 million experience so they’ve just roped you in for another 6 months (seriously I swear I was the only player who ever liked divination as a skill)

    In 14 people don’t like grinding so to hold subs over the months they have to artificially gate you from otherwise easy to obtain items because otherwise it reveals how hollow the endgame is
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  2. #8372
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    Ayalu Jeji
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    Well considering if they hold onto there plans with the "no more leveling" and there supposed focus on class design next expansion they will have to break the current systems and tbh i am all for it.
    With Shadowbringer they made massive changes in Class design so its not impossible they do it again.
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  3. #8373
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    Howard Alt-eisen
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  4. #8374
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lak14 View Post
    I can hear the goal posts shifting as we speak

    Anyone wanna place bets on the new excuse
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  5. #8375
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I can hear the goal posts shifting as we speak

    Anyone wanna place bets on the new excuse
    > Top 0.1% of players
    > Average PF still needs a healer
    > Did YOU clear?

    Pick one.
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  6. #8376
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    Eizen Aifread
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I can hear the goal posts shifting as we speak

    Anyone wanna place bets on the new excuse
    something something elitists

    something something tiny portion of no-lifers

    something something majority of playerbase don't do that
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  7. #8377
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    Kaeline Artelus
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    What excuses?

    In fact, we should thank them... They just post proof that OP Tanks, DPS sustain and bad Healer design are a real problem because : they shouldn't be able to clear them without a Healer

    It's just validating what Healer main are saying.
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  8. #8378
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    End-game content definitely shouldn't be clearable without a healer... But it's still not the only issue with healers.
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  9. #8379
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    What excuses?

    In fact, we should thank them... They just post proof that OP Tanks, DPS sustain and bad Healer design are a real problem because : they shouldn't be able to clear them without a Healer

    It's just validating what Healer main are saying.
    If that’s all the “evidence” we needed we crossed that threshold years ago
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  10. #8380
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    Alice Rivers
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    If that’s all the “evidence” we needed we crossed that threshold years ago
    So? Just because we crossed the line years ago doesn't make it any more okay, it just means we've been living with the problem for years.
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