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    I've always seen PoM as WHM's counterpart to Ley Lines, speeding up their GCD while it's active (and so it deserves a second charge too). It obviously doesn't chain them down to a small space like it, but its duration being half as long seemed like a trade-off that made sense.

    At any rate I also wish WHM was a turret healer to mirror BLM, though it probably could've used more instant cast resources had they kept the 2.5s casts. Lilies mirror Polyglot in that sense, but it was still lacking a triplecast and thundercloud/firestarter.
    GlareIV I think has the potential to work as a Triplecast counterpart if they put it behind a different skill, and they could've expanded on Freecure to mirror Thundercloud/Firestarter, with current Thin Air guaranteeing a proc like Sharpcast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    I've always seen PoM as WHM's counterpart to Ley Lines, speeding up their GCD while it's active (and so it deserves a second charge too). It obviously doesn't chain them down to a small space like it, but its duration being half as long seemed like a trade-off that made sense.

    At any rate I also wish WHM was a turret healer to mirror BLM, though it probably could've used more instant cast resources had they kept the 2.5s casts. Lilies mirror Polyglot in that sense, but it was still lacking a triplecast and thundercloud/firestarter.
    GlareIV I think has the potential to work as a Triplecast counterpart if they put it behind a different skill, and they could've expanded on Freecure to mirror Thundercloud/Firestarter, with current Thin Air guaranteeing a proc like Sharpcast.
    I know POM is meant to serve as their Ley Lines but it's just so boring and unrewarding compared to playing smart and knowing when to drop your circle so you can get maximum value out of the job. I think them being 2.5 sec would be ok since Aero, Aetherial Shift, and Lily movement tech/Afflatus Misery can help a lot with movement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    I know POM is meant to serve as their Ley Lines but it's just so boring and unrewarding compared to playing smart and knowing when to drop your circle so you can get maximum value out of the job. I think them being 2.5 sec would be ok since Aero, Aetherial Shift, and Lily movement tech/Afflatus Misery can help a lot with movement.
    That’s exactly what ShB WHM was and the community absolutely hated it because they refused to see that Lily’s were an absolute gain because they were movement tools and weave slots even if they were immediate losses
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    That’s exactly what ShB WHM was and the community absolutely hated it because they refused to see that Lily’s were an absolute gain because they were movement tools and weave slots even if they were immediate losses
    If memory serves, lilies were a loss up until EW because the potency of Misery didn't match the 3 GCD dps deficit. Instead of just making lilies neutral, CBU3 decided to make all cast times faster on top of that change. People were only complaining about Misery's potency and the team overcompensated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    Was this what Yoshi P wanted for people like me? Did he assume we were too foolish to take any semblance of complexity? How could such an allegedly open developer act so dismissive towards his own players? The flavor of the jobs I loved so much throughout the franchise were mere husks of themselves. What was once a magical world peeled away to reveal a sterile room of four walls. No imagination, no challenge, only accessibility for the sake of it. I didn't feel welcomed, I felt betrayed.
    I'll give healer a try up until level 100. If I do not like it, I'm off the role, entirely.

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    Speaking of which, I understand there's folks who don't want it changed back now, but were there threads and posts demanding for the 1.5s cast across the role on the english boards in the past? I recall finding a thread discussing reducing the cast time a little bit to make slidecasting easier, but its OP explicitly stated they didn't want it to be enough to include the weave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Speaking of which, I understand there's folks who don't want it changed back now, but were there threads and posts demanding for the 1.5s cast across the role on the english boards in the past? I recall finding a thread discussing reducing the cast time a little bit to make slidecasting easier, but its OP explicitly stated they didn't want it to be enough to include the weave.
    I do remember seeing them when lurking the forums, but they were relatively small in number. I just hate how uniform the decision was; WHM could've used more weave space, but it shouldn't have been from a cast time reduction in Glare, rather it should've had additional damage spells and resources that needed to be carefully spent if you needed to move. But that involves giving more damage buttons, so Square obviously decided against it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    Speaking of which, I understand there's folks who don't want it changed back now, but were there threads and posts demanding for the 1.5s cast across the role on the english boards in the past? I recall finding a thread discussing reducing the cast time a little bit to make slidecasting easier, but its OP explicitly stated they didn't want it to be enough to include the weave.
    That's really the crux of the issue. Some people want short-casts, but don't want to just play Astrologian for some reason, so they start demanding that other healers be changed to accommodate that. They see that little bit of nuance in gameplay to be a flaw instead of a feature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iedarus View Post
    If memory serves, lilies were a loss up until EW because the potency of Misery didn't match the 3 GCD dps deficit. Instead of just making lilies neutral, CBU3 decided to make all cast times faster on top of that change. People were only complaining about Misery's potency and the team overcompensated.
    I don't think possible to make lily anymore 'neutral' than today's iteration due to the nature of 2m raidbuff consolidation across all the jobs (it's still not outright neutral lol). It's just straight up a gain now so long 1 misery can be dumped into the window.

    I personally still maintain the idea that the abundance of lossless heal introduced from AST's kit was a mistake. There should be lossless healing but they should be kept in check rather than given to us like candies. 75p loss on using lily wouldn't be seen as badly as today if heal button aren't so black and white.
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    I was rarely averse to using GCD heals with AST even in ShB since it was just normal to lose personal dps by healing with the other two. They also added Horoscope then, which just encourages using either Helios too, so the overall design certainly didn't feel like they wanted us to do lossless healing, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Azurarok View Post
    I was rarely averse to using GCD heals with AST even in ShB since it was just normal to lose personal dps by healing with the other two. They also added Horoscope then, which just encourages using either Helios too, so the overall design certainly didn't feel like they wanted us to do lossless healing, at least.
    I agree. Honestly, I've never seen the big deal about losing personal dps if I chose to throw out GCD heals. After all, isn't that part of the whole idea of playing a healer? Getting to decide which is a better contribution to the party's success, improving the health of the characters versus damaging the mobs/bosses?

    The philosophy held by Square Enix that making these kind of decisions is too stressful to the players is wrong. We require this decision making in order to be engaged with the game. When things are too easy, players are bored. Nobody plays a game to be bored.
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