With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[FlowerMilk]

See, this is this attitude that will cost LGBT community all they hard fought effort to be able to voice a little their concern.
If you continue to have this attitude eveyrbody will say STFU, GTFO we don't care anymore.... And your cause will not advance at all for a long time.

So what do you plan to do then to silence us and not advance the cause of LGBTQ+ rights? Go on, tell us.

[Wildheaven182]

Trans people are individuals and they don't make the entirety of all trans people "look bad" by being bad people as individuals. Do you think all men are bad because one man murdered someone?

Men are kinda one half of the entire human race.
Whereas trans people are kinda, 0.00001% of the US population alone.
If you were actually involved with trans issues and not just taking advantage of trans people to virtue signal and feel good about yourself, you would know that there is a scaling problem. The smaller the minority group, the more any individual's actions reflect upon that group. We are just enough not to judge people by the groups they belong to but by themselves as an individual, but naturally, prejudice exists.
Trans people see people like Sena be misogynistic, and they get too scared of being judged by others' prejudice to feel comfortable or open about themselves and look and present the way they want to.

[Raven2014]

So what do you plan to do then to silence us and not advance the cause of LGBTQ+ rights? Go on, tell us.

The most dangerous thing about people like you is you don't realize there is a very (dangerous) difference that extremist fail to recognize the damage they do to their platform.

- If people want to silence you, that's actually the easy fight. That's what people have been doing since the 60'

- The much harder fight is when people no longer care about what you said. This trend started around a decade ago and getting worse.

Just think what's the most dangerous threat to democracy isn't far left or far right, it's about a population that has grown apathetic to the process. And before you go and blame the population for being apathetic, think why they become apathetic in the first place.

It's used to be a moderated things with a lot of genuine support, that's why social movement have been able to gain a lot of advancement. But the last decade or so some movement have movement felt empowered enough to believe themselves can't do no wrong, allow them to insert in any situation and gaslit everyone ... at best, I think a lot of people just become jaded when we have to be exposed to a constant 24/7 issue. Remember, even when there is a war with hundred people dying daily, being in the news long enough and most just look at all those deaths as trivial evening news.

People are not telling the activist to shut up because they want to silence others, but no one want to listen to the same crap repeat ad-nauseam.

Remember even when a medicine is good, an overdose will sometime create the opposite effect. That's exactly the (dangerous) difference people like you can't recognize.

That's even assuming you're being genuine, but I seriously doubt that.


I'm old enough to remember that one of the pillar of social activism used to be no person should be denied a job based on who they are, but only on their own merit.

To think these days you see some minority is brazen enough to believe they should get the job simply because of who they are despite lacking the ability to do it.

Yeah, get that crap outta here. Just because originally people have a good cause, doesn't mean they're immune to take it too far. If anything, the history human is a gigantic show case of that very risk.

[Lizvette]

i admire your tenacity for trying to argue with this person, even though you're wasting your time, they clearly want to just paint you guys in a certain light and not actually say anything meaningful.

[Karious]

My thread wasn't closed for transphobia lmao. FlowerMilk is Sena's greatest warrior I guess. Don't even bother arguing with her.

[Aword3213]

You know people can just open up the link and see people calling her a man with their own eyes? Why even bother pretending like people can't see it for themselves?

Are they wrong?

I have no problem seeing Sena as a woman, but that doesn’t mean everyone has to.

The concept of transgenderism is still new to our world. People with various backgrounds from different cultures are going to have questions. Whether transgender man is a man or transgender woman is a woman is still on debate. Just look at Olympics which is currently underway. People all over the world are still arguing about it.

There is still no worldwide consensus about this topic, so don’t act like it’s a hard cold fact that has been set in stone for decades. It’s not.

I think people that called Sena a man doesn’t necessarily mean they harbor hate towards transgenderism. They simply believe it’s the right thing to say. The context implying them hateful just isn’t there.

In order to make it about transphobia, you have to lay a foundation where people can agree that transgender woman is a woman as an objective facts. Only with this foundation can you convince people they’re hateful and discriminatory by using the “wrong” word intentionally. None of you did that. Of course people don’t think they’re being transphobic.

[Smallbunny]

Are they wrong?

Yes

It's not that hard.

[Aword3213]

Yes

It's not that hard.

Suddenly the world believes you

[DoomRyder]

Yes

It's not that hard.

Never in my life will I find that denying an obvious reality in my face is "not that hard."
I almost envy people capable of doing this.

[Picothea]

I come back to this thread after 42 pages and people are discussing if it's okay to deny someone's identity because "transgenderism is still new", which is plain wrong. This is why outsiders say the forum is used by the most toxic 1% of players. People might listen to you when threads don't devolve into hating voice actors.