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  1. #381
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    Yes, yes. People calling the VA "Woke Lamat", or "Wuk LaMan" or whatever, still doesn't change the fact that Sena is a terrible person too.
    You can dislike her as a person without being transphobic.
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  2. #382
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    You can dislike her as a person without being transphobic.
    Cool, can Sena stop being cisphobic and misogynistic? Cause until then, I see no point in caring that they're getting exactly what they dish out. All I see here is hate getting hate. There is no moral high ground to be had here regardless.
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  3. #383
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isala View Post
    Cool, can Sena stop being cisphobic and misogynistic? Cause until then, I see no point in caring that they're getting exactly what they dish out. All I see here is hate getting hate. There is no moral high ground to be had here regardless.
    You're making a poor case that someone is a bad person because they are a bigot by also being bigoted to her and other trans people.
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  4. #384
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    You can dislike her as a person without being transphobic.
    It's what a lot of people did on this thread.... So i wonder why white knight just point the very few real transphobic post present in this thread, and say that hey are the majority.

    This attitude will, in the end, derserve the LGBT community. If you don't start to realize this soon, it will turn ugly.... Because, when the neutral silent majority will be fed up with all of this, and will start to voice it, you'll have a real problem on you hands.
    And, the silent majority is starting to get fed up...
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  5. #385
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    You're making a poor case that someone is a bad person because they are a bigot by also being bigoted to her and other trans people.
    You can go through my entire post history if you'd like. I've said absolutely nothing bigoted about her at all. Even used the proper gender for her and everything like you want. I simply do not care that others are returning the same level of behavior that Sena is. Because everyone wants to use that to deflect the actual points. Go on. You can check. Find a single instance of me being a bigot towards Sena. And no, just hating them for their behaviors, performance and nepotism doesn't count. That's not bigotry.
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  6. #386
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorika View Post
    It's what a lot of people did on this thread.... So i wonder why white knight just point the very few real transphobic post present in this thread, and say that hey are the majority.

    This attitude will, in the end, derserve the LGBT community. If you don't start to realize this soon, it will turn ugly.... Because, when the neutral silent majority will be fed up with all of this, and will start to voice it, you'll have a real problem on you hands.
    And, the silent majority is starting to get fed up...
    Voice it, tell me how exactly it will turn "ugly". Don't be silent any longer, air it out. What do you plan to do about it? Tell us.
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  7. #387
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    You're making a poor case that someone is a bad person because they are a bigot by also being bigoted to her and other trans people.
    We don't owe anything to hypocrites. No one cares if a horrible person tries to force them into speaking about them a certain way when they don't deserve it, and they don't deserve it if they don't extend the same courtesy to others.
    Everyone is tired of this dishing it but can't take it bs.
    Besides, you can't force people against their will to speak a certain way. Respect is earned, not obligated. Compelled speech is fascistic.

    I call Sena She to be polite and I'm used to it from talking to my own trans friend, even though Sena doesn't deserve it and makes trans people like my friend look bad by being a terrible person.
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  8. #388
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildheaven182 View Post
    We don't owe anything to hypocrites. No one cares if a horrible person tries to force them into speaking about them a certain way when they don't deserve it, and they don't deserve it if they don't extend the same courtesy to others.
    Everyone is tired of this dishing it but can't take it bs.
    Besides, you can't force people against their will to speak a certain way. Respect is earned, not obligated. Compelled speech is fascistic.

    I call Sena She to be polite and I'm used to it from talking to my own trans friend, even though Sena doesn't deserve it and makes trans people like my friend look bad by being a terrible person.
    Trans people are individuals and they don't make the entirety of all trans people "look bad" by being bad people as individuals. Do you think all men are bad because one man murdered someone?
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  9. #389
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Trans people are individuals and they don't make the entirety of all trans people "look bad" by being bad people as individuals. Do you think all men are bad because one man murdered someone?
    Three words to tear apart this stupid argument immediately.

    Man. Versus. Bear.
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  10. #390
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    Quote Originally Posted by FlowerMilk View Post
    Voice it, tell me how exactly it will turn "ugly". Don't be silent any longer, air it out. What do you plan to do about it? Tell us.
    See, this is this attitude that will cost LGBT community all they hard fought effort to be able to voice a little their concern.
    If you continue to have this attitude eveyrbody will say STFU, GTFO we don't care anymore.... And your cause will not advance at all for a long time.
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