With Apologies to Sena Bryer

[DaveFishnomer]

Could not care less about that woman.

[Mortex]

Judging from this and other threads....Sena seem to have a point tho.
As other said bevor FF14 has a lot of subpar voice actors and never was it that much of a problem.
And people like to ignore that there are Voice Directors in such projects and those play a important role.
Which likes to get ignored in the conversation completly as if only Sena was part of the process.

The truth here is that this entire expansion was pretty mid in voice acting quality (English only because actually German and Japanese were bangers). Wuk has the biggest problem that she is 90 % around all the time and bad voice acting becomes way more aggravating. The problem with this situation is that sena is trans so ofc every person being a critic must also be a bigot or a transphobe. I have 2 trans friends I do play every day with and they 1: hate the English voice and 2; can’t stand this “preach water and drink wine” attitude that effectively undermines all the struggles they have in the daily life and 3: can’t stand these twitter takes this person has ( hypocritical and vile wording and behaviour only if the person isn’t on the receiving end) Both of them don’t interact with the LGBTQ community because of some people that take things way way way too far.

Like I would have loved a good voice performance from a trans person for a role this big and gaining a massive accomplishment for the trans community but we got a bad one and the critics being labelled transphobic or bigots.

[FlowerMilk]

The truth here is that this entire expansion was pretty mid in voice acting quality (English only because actually German and Japanese were bangers). Wuk has the biggest problem that she is 90 % around all the time and bad voice acting becomes way more aggravating. The problem with this situation is that sena is trans so ofc every person being a critic must also be a bigot or a transphobe. I have 2 trans friends I do play every day with and they 1: hate the English voice and 2; can’t stand this “preach water and drink wine” attitude that effectively undermines all the struggles they have in the daily life and 3: can’t stand these twitter takes this person has ( hypocritical and vile wording and behaviour only if the person isn’t on the receiving end) Both of them don’t interact with the LGBTQ community because of some people that take things way way way too far.

Like I would have loved a good voice performance from a trans person for a role this big and gaining a massive accomplishment for the trans community but we got a bad one and the critics being labelled transphobic or bigots.

As someone who also didn't like Sena's job as Wuk Lamat, I can tell you that you are really missing that there are 100% for a fact people actually being transphobic, calling her a man, saying all kinds of crazy things that have genuinely nothing to do with her job as a voice actor in Dawntrail. Nobody cares if you criticize her job as Wuk Lamat, but there ARE genuinely people being transphobic towards her, too.

I can link you some right here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6562718

And no, no one is saying those are the majority of criticisms lobbed at her, either. All people are saying is that the transphobic comments do exist and we can see them with our own eyes. You can criticize Sena for her VA job and behavior all you want, but don't be transphobic about it, then people are just hurting random trans people like your 2 trans friends and that sucks, they have nothing to do with Sena or her behavior.

[SableHahma]

As someone who also didn't like Sena's job as Wuk Lamat, I can tell you that you are really missing that there are 100% for a fact people actually being transphobic, calling her a man, saying all kinds of crazy things that have genuinely nothing to do with her job as a voice actor in Dawntrail. Nobody cares if you criticize her job as Wuk Lamat, but there ARE genuinely people being transphobic towards her, too.

I can link you some right here: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6562718

And no, no one is saying those are the majority of criticisms lobbed at her, either. All people are saying is that the transphobic comments do exist and we can see them with our own eyes. You can criticize Sena for her VA job and behavior all you want, but don't be transphobic about it, then people are just hurting random trans people like your 2 trans friends and that sucks, they have nothing to do with Sena or her behavior.

So much this. I am trans myself. I do not like the character of Wuk Lamat. I found her pretty insufferable, the quality of the voice acting was mid at it's best. I don't know much about the voice actor, but she seems like kind of a pos. I feel like most of the comments I've read on the forums since DT launched have been fairly valid and I could agree with them, but the amount of actual real transphobic behavior in this particular thread has been very upsetting. The amount of times I've seen people in this thread alone referring to the voice actor as he with no understanding of why that isn't okay is shocking.

There's also been a fair share of people not just in this thread, but all across the forums lately who come in and say any criticism against her IS transphobia, and I cannot stand that either. I absolutely do not like people like that. Still though, the way this thread has gone completely off the walls has been upsetting to see. Some people in here may claim not to hate trans people, but they sure don't seem to respect them.

[Vensaval]

Some people in here may claim not to hate trans people, but they sure don't seem to respect them.

Here's the unfortunate reality in regards to that, and it genuinely is a shame.

Respect is earned. Not simply given. There's been countless occurrences of people in that community committing heinous acts against others for generally innocuous things over the past decade or so. As well as the general attitude portrayed by the selfsame people towards the general populace being incredibly arrogant, entitled, vitriolic, and self-righteous.

All while insisting they are the victims. No matter the circumstance.

Whatever good will and respect there was ten-odd years ago has greatly diminished because of this. People are fed up with it. As hard it may be to hear, the majority of the blame is on that community. Not as a whole, of course. Which should go without saying. However, this attitude I allude to is prevalent everywhere you look online. These forums included.

Believe it or not, that's the truth of it.

[FlowerMilk]

Here's the unfortunate reality in regards to that, and it genuinely is a shame.

Respect is earned. Not simply given. There's been countless occurrences of people in that community committing heinous acts against others for generally innocuous things over the past decade or so. As well as the general attitude portrayed by the selfsame people towards the general populace being incredibly arrogant, entitled, vitriolic, and self-righteous.

All while insisting they are the victims. No matter the circumstance.

Whatever good will and respect there was ten-odd years ago has greatly diminished because of this. People are fed up with it. As hard it may be to hear, the majority of the blame is on that community. Not as a whole, of course. Which should go without saying. However, this attitude I allude to is prevalent everywhere you look online. These forums included.

Believe it or not, that's the truth of it.

Trans people aren't a community, they are literally just people. Some random trans person you've never met before has literally nothing to do with nor is responsible some other random trans person being an asshole to you. That's a crazy to think, honestly, and makes exactly 0 logical sense.

[SableHahma]

Here's the unfortunate reality in regards to that, and it genuinely is a shame.

Respect is earned. Not simply given. There's been countless occurrences of people in that community committing heinous acts against others for generally innocuous things over the past decade or so. As well as the general attitude portrayed by the selfsame people towards the general populace being incredibly arrogant, entitled, vitriolic, and self-righteous.

All while insisting they are the victims. No matter the circumstance.

Whatever good will and respect there was ten-odd years ago has greatly diminished because of this. People are fed up with it. As hard it may be to hear, the majority of the blame is on that community. Not as a whole, of course. Which should go without saying. However, this attitude I allude to is prevalent everywhere you look online. These forums included.

Believe it or not, that's the truth of it.

Ah, I believe we have a misunderstanding. When I say respect I am talking about the basic human decency you would give to any person. It's asking for very little to be called by your preferred pronouns. I don't care if a person believes I'm a girl or not, nor do I care if they hate me for what I am, but I do expect them to give me the basic human decency of calling me by my proper gender just the same as I would never call someone by the wrong gender even if I hated that person.

However, in regards to your argument, I cannot say I agree. There is much about the lgbt community that I am not a fan of, much of what you said being an excellent example. However, making sweeping generalizations of entire groups of people is never really a good idea. Respect should be earned on the personal level. How a subsection of trans people act should in no way reflect on a persons view of or respect for me. It's no different than the fact that the sum total of poor behavior and the very real cases of transphobia that have gone on in this thread do not reflect, nor should say, on each induvial here. Color an entire group of people, especially in a negative sense, with one color is just good ole fashion bigotry.

That too, is the truth of it.

[Midare]

but they sure don't seem to respect them.

I'll give it to you straight from my own personal perspective. Mine and no one else's.

Respect is something I've always thought should be earned, not given freely, specially not to a group of people, any group of people. For groups, I have basic courtesy and nothing else.

Respect, it's reserved for individuals who have earned it.

I respect someone with a good, sound and well informed opinion.
I respect someone who has showed talent in some field.
I respect people close to me.
But do I respect a group of people only because they happen to be labeled in a way? No, sorry, can't do it, and that applies to any and every group.

I will offer basic courtesy to anyone, but that's where it stops.

I have my own opinions on the bigger matter and and I have my issues with her particular voice work. Her accent it's just annoyingly fake and the lack of range and yet, not once I called her a "he" despite the fact that, as an individual, I can say I don't respect her.

The voice work has plenty to criticize without resorting to lack of basic courtesy in my opinion. But also, I don't think I'm on some sort of moral high ground when I see others not using the same courtesy. I do believe it simply gives ammo to those wanting to be offended and deflect from the criticism and dismiss it, but I'm no one to tell others how to express their opinion. That is their prerogative.

And just as I'm no one to tell others what to say, I'm no one to tell you how to feel either.

I understand sympathizing, but whatever lack of courtesy it's aimed at her, it's to her alone. You are you, the VA is the VA, so try not to take it personally simply because you happen to share a label.

[Vensaval]

You are you, the VA is the VA, so try not to take it personally simply because you happen to share a label.

Just wanted to emphasize this.

[SableHahma]

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I'm not sure there's anything you've said here that I don't whole heartedly agree with. And I hope it's understood that anything I say is not personally directed at you, or anyone else in this thread for that matter. And please make no mistake, because I have no sympathy for her voice actor other than sympathy for her receiving death threats as no one should ever have to deal with that. I do not particularly like Sena Bryer, I vehemently disagree with some of the takes I've seen of her. I think she was far to inexperienced to voice such a prevalent character in the story, and it's shows in her poor performance. I have very strong feelings regarding Wuk Lamat, and none of them as positive.

My point is simply that there have been people in this thread who have referred to Sena as he, and that is not okay. Regardless of my own feelings of her and my own lack of respect for her it is still intolerance. Respecting someone's identity is basic human decency. I understand completely how exhausting the whole pronoun thing can be sometimes. I make a point of being very patient about it because I know it can be so easy to slip up and call someone the wrong thing. I am only ever bothered by it if someone is intentionally calling me the wrong thing. All I ask is that people TRY. It may seem like something irrelevant to you, and that is completely okay, but to someone who will likely have to spend their entire life fighting just to be seen as they truly are it can be very upsetting and feel dehumanizing.

Again, none of this directed at you specifically, I'm simply talking in a very general since and replying to multiple post with this single one.