Tanks holding fights hostage in Roulettes

[TojiSuzuhara]

That's ok. People will take your place. I hate to say it but it's just not going to affect anything.

"But when more healers stop, you'll see!"

No I won't. The healer queue is instant. That will entice people to run healers. An 18 minute dps queue will make healers on strike swap classes back to healer and just run it because let's be honest - it's really not *that* bad. Tanks like that are super rare in my experience and a couple fringe cases won't change my mind. When this happens please take the time to report the tank(s) in question for griefing and write them off as just being losers who have some kind of chip on their shoulder that they gotta try to show off their e-peen. You won't be seeing them that often. If they do it in a dungeon and it's not the last boss, vote kick them.

With that said, there are issues that need to be addressed for sure. An enrage timer on normal content is more than reasonable and will prevent this from happening tbh.

im sure they will! i just will not go through this kind of instance again. someone else above said it perfectly though, its not even a healer thing, the dps are useless too when tanks just invalidate the need for any other people to be there period

[alfarini]

Did anyone ask to reset? If not then it's fine. Also depends on the percentage left on the boss I guess. I got into an eden fight, the one with the black bird and the timers
Anyways it was just me and the tank for the last 10 percent, nobody said anything until after the fight ended and we killed it. Someone just said "could have reset". I thought that was super weird as they sat there watching and never said anything.

Moral of the story is say something before it's to late.

[TojiSuzuhara]

Did anyone ask to reset? If not then it's fine. Also depends on the percentage left on the boss I guess. I got into an eden fight, the one with the black bird and the timers
Anyways it was just me and the tank for the last 10 percent, nobody said anything until after the fight ended and we killed it. Someone just said "could have reset". I thought that was super weird as they sat there watching and never said anything.

Moral of the story is say something before it's to late.

i asked them to reset several times and i believe someone else did. neither tank ever said a word. a few dps mentioned things along the lines of "how long will this take?" etc . this was right after adds phase where i believe the boss had around 50-60% left and the clock was at 37 min left when they finally killed it so we spent about 30 minutes in there total after 2 pulls

[GTK0HLK]

Pretty Simple.

If you're alive and doing damage.

Make sure you got "Percentages" On.(Prior to the fight)

If you're alive, and it looks like your cooldowns and skills will keep you alive for along time unless you fck up.

Check how fast the % is going down.

If it's going down fast enough to not become a pain in the Arse if you or anyone else is dead.(and the health is low for the Boss.)
KEEP GOING, COMMIT.

If it's taking so long for percentages to drop with your damage of whoever is still alive.(Regardless/Specially I'd the Boss HP Will take forever to down with the rate it's got going)
FN WALL IT, ITLL BE SO MUCH FASTER AND LESS PAINFUL FOR YOU. REGARDLESS IF YOURE ALIVE OR KO'd/DEAD.

[alfarini]

i asked them to reset several times and i believe someone else did. neither tank ever said a word. a few dps mentioned things along the lines of "how long will this take?" etc . this was right after adds phase where i believe the boss had around 50-60% left and the clock was at 37 min left when they finally killed it so we spent about 30 minutes in there total after 2 pulls

Damn 50 percent? That's a bit much but honestly thoes tanks are very few and far between tho. If it was someone reasonable they hop off and pull again. Just chalk it up to big dick tank energy, and move on most wouldn't during a fight with more than 20 percent I'm sure.

[TojiSuzuhara]

Damn 50 percent? That's a bit much but honestly thoes tanks are very few and far between tho. If it was someone reasonable they hop off and pull again. Just chalk it up to big dick tank energy, and move on most wouldn't during a fight with more than 20 percent I'm sure.

its really not that rare. yesterday during the ddos attack i was in the middle of stray dungeon and our healer never came back and we took on 2nd boss and rest of dungeon without a healer (we tried to find one just never came back in). in that instance though the 3 of us just agreed to keep going until a healer arrived. this trial however me and at least a few others spoke up not wanting to sit there for what was essentially a penalty lockout timer

[Karious]

I'm not required to die because the rest of you can't do mechanics correctly. I'll keep tanking if I'm the only one left.

[FudoMyoo]

Everyone just play tank.

Problem solved

[Oizen]

Pretty Simple.

If you're alive and doing damage.

Make sure you got "Percentages" On.(Prior to the fight)

If you're alive, and it looks like your cooldowns and skills will keep you alive for along time unless you fck up.

Check how fast the % is going down.

If it's going down fast enough to not become a pain in the Arse if you or anyone else is dead.(and the health is low for the Boss.)
KEEP GOING, COMMIT.

If it's taking so long for percentages to drop with your damage of whoever is still alive.(Regardless/Specially I'd the Boss HP Will take forever to down with the rate it's got going)
FN WALL IT, ITLL BE SO MUCH FASTER AND LESS PAINFUL FOR YOU. REGARDLESS IF YOURE ALIVE OR KO'd/DEAD.

Its not faster to die and restart. Your party was weak and died, there is no promise of a sudden gain of competence next pull.
By comparison, you know what your capable of as a tank, thus its lower risk to just solo it and get the guaranteed move on rather than be a tutorial bot for your party

Thats how I feel about it anyway.

[Sivante]

Happens to me regularly. Much like people speed pulling through dungeons, this is just part of the game now and will continue to be part of the game until the balancing and mechanics stop it from being valid. They can't institute a 'one person alive' enrage, or that would cripple solo challenges and Blue mages. They can't institute a common enrage for the same reason.

The core of the problem here isn't that the tanks can solo for a fraction of an eternity and shouldn't because it's rude: that's a silly expectation. That would be comparable to saying DPS who don't perform their rotation and thus sandbag the instance are being rude, or people who repeatedly fail mechanics and refuse to devote 100% of their attention to the game are rude. It's easy to jump to, but doesn't hold significant weight because it becomes too touchy to reinforce or combat appropriately.

The real problem here factors very much into the Healerstrike stuff. Tanks should not be able to do this, full-stop. One role should not be able to heal, mit, as well as DPS. Healers only get to DPS and heal, DPS only get to DPS. Tanks are over here eating the whole ass cake, and I say that as a WAR player. This problem will continue until the tanks can no longer do it.

We have a class that can mitigate, heal, and DPS: And you're surprised to see them leaning hard into that whenever the opportunity arises? I'd be surprised if they didn't do this.