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    AlgernonBlackwood's Avatar
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    Adeline Blackwood
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    Gilgamesh
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Zakon View Post
    Even other jobs who need to double weave OGCDs like Machinist don't need to do it as frequently as Viper does
    It gets 7 double weaves every 2 mins, 4 of which have extra long GCDs and all of which can be freely used at any point in the fight as long as you don't overcap. You press the same 2 buttons every time.

    DRG has 6 consecutive forced double weaves in their 2 min + one extra long oGCD with animation lock, all on a normal 2.5 GCD. You press a total of 5-6 different buttons. Also, you're doing your 10-step GCD rotation at the same time.

    Like, I'm not saying that Viper isn't somewhat mechanically demanding, it does have the highest APM in the game, it's just not nearly demanding enough relative to most of the other DPS to justify it's extremely simple rotation.
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    Zakon's Avatar
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    Zelahra Virasch
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    Balmung
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by AlgernonBlackwood View Post
    It gets 7 double weaves every 2 mins, 4 of which have extra long GCDs and all of which can be freely used at any point in the fight as long as you don't overcap. You press the same 2 buttons every time.

    DRG has 6 consecutive forced double weaves in their 2 min + one extra long oGCD with animation lock, all on a normal 2.5 GCD. You press a total of 5-6 different buttons. Also, you're doing your 10-step GCD rotation at the same time.

    Like, I'm not saying that Viper isn't somewhat mechanically demanding, it does have the highest APM in the game, it's just not nearly demanding enough relative to most of the other DPS to justify it's extremely simple rotation.
    I haven't played DRG to 100 yet, but are you sure those are forced double weaves in the same way Viper's is?

    If you don't double weave as Viper, you straight up lose the ability. If you don't do it as DRG, you drift the OGCD's cooldown slightly but that's it. You also bring raid buffs as DRG where Viper does not.

    Additionally, I was challenging the notion that there is no way to tell the difference between a good VPR and a bad VPR just because Noxious Gnash was lost. That is just incorrect.
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