Viper Changes are good, actually

[Lamarcy2699]

You are supposed to think about boss mechanics, not how to play your class.

I hope they remove Death's Design on reaper as well, it completly breaks the flow of the job and feels very annoying to use.

This is gonna be a bit of a shock but you could be doing both. Crazy I know. Previous expansions had both job expressions AND fight difficulty! Just cutting out one element of that makes the game far too easy unless they overcompensate in a particular area. They tried this in Endwalker (with Endwalkers simplification of jobs) with Pandaemonium Savage where there was such an over-reliance on body checks that it just introduced a lot of tedium into progging the fights, then reclears just becoming dull because rotations were not interesting and you didn't have the thoughts going on the same as you did in prog. I'm not opposed to body checks but over reliance creates a sense of artificial difficulty.

As for current VPR, in my honest opinion, it just feels awful to play in anything that isn't savage. If a job requires the current hardest content to be "tolerable" then that's just an indication that it's not a well thought out job. Removing Noxious Gas has removed almost all of the "rush" that VPR once had. It requires 0 skill and brainwork to do well on now. It's pitifully boring.

[Arohk]

This is gonna be a bit of a shock but you could be doing both. Crazy I know.

and thats how you end up with people complaining about difficulty of normal content, they hyperfocus on their hotbar because of too many buttons and can't see whats going on in the fight.

I have played an MMO before FFXIV that had much harder bosses, even though i had maybe 10 hotkeys instead of 30.

Machinist Job seem to be the only Job they have not changed much since they established the gameplay style in 5.0 after going through the constant changes it had through 3.0 to 4.X era. They've only been adding on to that foundation each expansion for MCH since then.

MCH just feels awful to play to me, i only use it in PVP, i would completly overhaul this job.

[EdwinLi]

MCH just feels awful to play to me, i only use it in PVP, i would completly overhaul this job.

I still think they can bring some elements from the PvP skills into the PvE gameplay.

If they wanted to increase damage for attack skills but are concern about mobility then they can implament the slow walk style the PvP mode has for a new combat stance for MCH that focus on Higher damage but lower moblilty so the mobility is still kept but players just need to be more self aware about their slower movement when attacking

The Sniper Rifle is ripe for a Very High Damage Sniper Rifle mechanic that is normally in most Gun Jobs for RPGs and MMOs. It is a matter of how to implement it though I think they can make use of the old Ammo system for the Sniper Rifle skills. Setting it as a skill about performing High Damage attacks but must account for the risk where the MCH cannot move when firing the Sniper Rifle with their Sniper Rifle skills similar to how it is in PvP as a PvP Limit break.

They can use the Ammo system to determine what kind of attacks the Sniper Rifle performs based on which Ammo the Sniper rifle will fire.

[Lamarcy2699]

and thats how you end up with people complaining about difficulty of normal content, they hyperfocus on their hotbar because of too many buttons and can't see whats going on in the fight.

That gives an excuse to take it away from people who enjoy it because? Removing skill ceilings is a surefire way to make your game boring and anger every single person who did enjoy it. You only need to see all the pushback against the VPR changes, and SAM when Kaiten got taken, to notice. It's also not like damage matters in 99% of casual content but matters in 100% of high end content. If someone truly struggles don't design a job around them, encourage them to get better. People will always struggle and complain so give a reason to improve. Doing good damage should be the reward for hard work and dedication to a job, not the expected norm for people to just do. A game should not be forced to be boring because some people struggle.

I have played an MMO before FFXIV that had much harder bosses, even though i had maybe 10 hotkeys instead of 30.

Cool, but this isn't that other MMO is it? This is FFXIV. The way the game fundamentally works is that it cannot create insane fights with tight snapshots or insane movement. The server tick speed is too slow. So to compensate it needs to have a balance of job design with fight design and ever since Endwalker that balance has been shifted too much since jobs got so much easier and fights not that much harder (barring ultimates).

[zaya_moya]

Viper is literally much better now actually and here's why.

ViPER PLAYS SO MUCH BETTER NOW THAT I don't want to PLAY IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS SOOOOOO BOOOOOOOORINNG.

They could just increase gnash time to 25 or 30 sec per apply.

VPR now is brain dead job, zero fun.

[AngaratoSvartberg]

if you increase its duration it also becomes fucking braindead. ya'll just crying just to cry.

[wereotter]

ViPER PLAYS SO MUCH BETTER NOW THAT I don't want to PLAY IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS SOOOOOO BOOOOOOOORINNG.

They could just increase gnash time to 25 or 30 sec per apply.

VPR now is brain dead job, zero fun.

They make the timer long enough and then it still is more or less pointless to keep. This is similar to monk's twin snakes buff. It was trivially easy to keep up and so they deleted the skills used to help maintain it along with the buff itself.

[Leonus]

ViPER PLAYS SO MUCH BETTER NOW THAT I don't want to PLAY IT ANYMORE BECAUSE IT IS SOOOOOO BOOOOOOOORINNG.

They could just increase gnash time to 25 or 30 sec per apply.

VPR now is brain dead job, zero fun.

If you aren’t having fun… then don’t play it?

Though I doubt half the people complaining will actually stop playing the job. Most just want to complain. Both sides of this argument… those who wanted change and those who didn’t.

It’s all crying at the end of the day when you sit and examine it all. Happens every update or expansion.

[W00by]

If you aren’t having fun… then don’t play it?

Though I doubt half the people complaining will actually stop playing the job. Most just want to complain. Both sides of this argument… those who wanted change and those who didn’t.

It’s all crying at the end of the day when you sit and examine it all. Happens every update or expansion.

This is such a silly take. Many of us who care are in statics, and signed up to these statics to play a certain job. Viper is the only melee I have leveled right now because I liked it, so it's not like I can just immediately switch.

And many of us are complaining because we genuinely feel like things were better before. Not just because we like to be contrarian. Viper has way less multi-target and phase-based optimization now, the filler isn't even the part I'm upset about.

It might feel cool to go "heheh, these people who care about these things are lame and care too much!" but it really isn't.

[Eudyptes]

This is such a silly take. Many of us who care are in statics, and signed up to these statics to play a certain job. Viper is the only melee I have leveled right now because I liked it, so it's not like I can just immediately switch.

I mean that sound like it's your own fault tbh. They ALWAYS do balance patches in their x.05 patches, and if you are serious about raiding you should have prepaid for that by having a small pool of classes to pick from after the adjustments, or grin and bear it to play the class you like. This goes double for viper since they openly stated nearly a month ago they were going to do some minor reworks.