Viper Changes Thread - Share your thoughts

[Taranok]

Oh god. I hate being right. The new buffs for the no. 1 and 2 combo starters are just buffs. Meaning VPR just runs around with 4 buffs now at all times. TOP is going to be fun with a viper due to buff limit.

[Duskane]

bit odd imo
if Gash buff was an issue why not make it 30/60s instead dont think it needed to be removed

[Taranok]

bit odd imo
if Gash buff was an issue why not make it 30/60s instead dont think it needed to be removed

I'd actually expect 20 stacking to 60 over 30/60. A 60s recast on...."vicewinder and vicepit" (those names are goofy,) would interrupt the flow of the class but would be required to set it up, and at that point 'reaving fangs' would exist literally just for the 2 and 3 step. Which it already mostly was.

New rotation is literally monk style just with a nested rocker for the third step instead of rocker-rocker-waltz like monk. You rock between 1 and 2, meaning you can make the rotation a static, fixed 2-2-2, 1-1-1, 2-2-1, 1-1-2 repeating.

I actually like monk while enjoying VPR's aesthetic and overall gameplay more, so this is a win to me. But yeah.

On the flip side, it's easier to save 'vicewinder' for burst, so the skill ceiling should be unaffected while lowering the skill floor, despite the loss of noxious gnash and the extension of combo buffs to 60s. But I am not looking forward to having 4 buffs in content where buff cap is a serious issue, like TOP. Having 4 buffs innately is enough to cause dodge issues for buffs.

[Eikthyr]

I lost one of the part I liked the most about my favorite job, unlucky I guess.

[LunaCelestiaXIV]

The changes are fucking atrocious. Idk why sqex keeps listening to whiny players that suck the fun out of the jobs.

[Kalocin]

Kind of hilarious it'll probably be top DPS for how little it needs to do. There's literally nothing to manage with this job now and true north will take care of whatever they renamed dreadwinder to exactly like on reaper. I actually think reaper is harder now, pretty dumb move overall and obviously a kneejerk reaction. Doesn't give me any confidence for the future for unique job design, the current designers have no confidence in themselves.

[Sad-Panda]

The changes are fucking atrocious. Idk why sqex keeps listening whiny players that suck the fun out of the jobs.

But they didn’t listen. No one asked for the dot to be removed, they wanted positionals gone.

[Rhael]

But they didn’t listen. No one asked for the dot to be removed, they wanted positionals gone.

Speak for yourself. Plenty of us wanted nothing removed.

[galacticw]

with the post of the planned changes i thought they were going to remove some positionals, I did not want the removal of any of the positionals but i would have honestly prefered if they took away some positionals over getting rid of Noxious Gnash

[Reinha]

I'm not a fan of positionals but I tolerated them because lets be honest there wasn't many other things to optimize. That is why I didn't ask for them to be removed after VPR's media tour build was released. But now SE removes everything else that needed some thought and still leaves the positionals in place. I have zero reasons to play the job anymore. Too bad I already wasted two weeks of normal raid gear on this.