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    Kalocin's Avatar
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    Letho Orwyth
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    Leviathan
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Kind of hilarious it'll probably be top DPS for how little it needs to do. There's literally nothing to manage with this job now and true north will take care of whatever they renamed dreadwinder to exactly like on reaper. I actually think reaper is harder now, pretty dumb move overall and obviously a kneejerk reaction. Doesn't give me any confidence for the future for unique job design, the current designers have no confidence in themselves.
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    Luna Celestia
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    Bahamut
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    Viper Lv 100
    The changes are fucking atrocious. Idk why sqex keeps listening to whiny players that suck the fun out of the jobs.
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    Last edited by LunaCelestiaXIV; 07-31-2024 at 08:30 AM.

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    Meredith Viera
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    Malboro
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaCelestiaXIV View Post
    The changes are fucking atrocious. Idk why sqex keeps listening whiny players that suck the fun out of the jobs.
    But they didn’t listen. No one asked for the dot to be removed, they wanted positionals gone.
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    Rhael Nelhah
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    Hyperion
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Sad-Panda View Post
    But they didn’t listen. No one asked for the dot to be removed, they wanted positionals gone.
    Speak for yourself. Plenty of us wanted nothing removed.
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    RIP Viper 28/06/2024 - 30/07/2024. It was a fun month.

    Given the opportunity, developers will polish the fun out of a game.

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    G'alashia Tiram
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    Goblin
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    with the post of the planned changes i thought they were going to remove some positionals, I did not want the removal of any of the positionals but i would have honestly prefered if they took away some positionals over getting rid of Noxious Gnash
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    I'm not a fan of positionals but I tolerated them because lets be honest there wasn't many other things to optimize. That is why I didn't ask for them to be removed after VPR's media tour build was released. But now SE removes everything else that needed some thought and still leaves the positionals in place. I have zero reasons to play the job anymore. Too bad I already wasted two weeks of normal raid gear on this.
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    Akiko Sulyvahn
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    Lich
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    Viper Lv 100
    - Previously: Meaningful brain usage in deciding whether to refresh the 20s (up to 40s) debuff with 2, or decide it's still running long enough for you to go into Reawaken combo, start with 1 instead, perform a sequence off 3, what have you. Genuine decision-making. All the time.

    - Now: 1 gives a one-time buff to the next 2, 2 gives a one-time buff to the next 1. Lasts for 60s, so no pressure. You just alternate how you start the main combo. Always, with all the time in the world to insert Uncoiled Fury or Reawaken. There is no thought to it, no timing, no deciding how much time you have - you just 1[...] 2[...] 1[...] 2[...] and pwess de beeg bottenz wen off CeeDee in between, with all the time in the world.

    The thing that gave Viper actual thought was when to insert Reawaken or Uncoiled Fury besides main combo and Dread, and whether to start with 1 (deeps) or 2 (debuff) when Dread was down. Without literally pitch-perfect 100 % uptime and memorization of an absurdly long string, there was no autopilot with this - there was a decision required. Skill expression. A functioning brain in your cranium.

    Was it some gigabrain stuff? No. Of course not. But in a game whose jobs are at this point largely dumbed down to the point where you could make a macro or bot press buttons in sequence while you use the arrow keys, it was a little wrinkle that kept your brain active while playing.

    There is no need to think about that now - there is no debuff to keep up on any targets, you have all the time in the world to just completely linearly press Reawaken or Uncoiled Fury in any thinkable scenario when off CD, and you will always strictly alternate between 1 and 2 linearly on main combo start each time. Just try not to drool while your neurons flake to the bottom of your skull.

    TL;DR: [See described decision-making above] was removed, and the job is now "222 112 221 111 + pwezz beeg bottenz wen iz off CeeDee". That's the job now. I just explained patched Viper. In its totality.

    Was fun for the brief time it lasted. I'm... so... sick... of this lowest common denominator game design.
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    Teno Gestalt
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    Moogle
    Main Class
    Sage Lv 100
    If you really want to voice your opinion on the changes, please spam the japanese forums, this is the only place they read.
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    Kokola Kola
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Dancer Lv 90
    When they came for Monk, no one spoke out for me.

    Now they're doing the EXACT same nonsense to Viper, my escape from what Monk has become.

    If I didn't already unsub, I'd unsub.
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