Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Raven2014]

Nono, you missunderstand me. I'm not saying he as no tropes. I'm saying he deosn't feel like it.

The point is he IS one, and he certainly felt like one to me. Because these characters only have limited amount of time and because they must 'cause some soft impact that the players can feel or related to, they're often given very strong first impression. What you are describing isn't the trope, just different examples of how the trope is used. The existence of these characters, they are the trope themselves. Gulool Ja Ja pretty much followed this formula to a T.

Sorry but this here I don't understand.
You are using psychological problems here. Gulool JaJa was absolutely not an abusing parent or something.

That's not what I'm saying. Say if you have a parents that spoiled their kids rotten, it's very likely the kids will see the parents as the world to them ... but if that's all to it ... that's not good parenting isn't? The point is, good parenting isn't just about making sure the kids love and respect you, but also making sure they grow up well adjusted and well prepared for the challenge that will await them. And I'm sorry, there is no way Gulool Ja Ja would earn a passing mark for the second part.

- If he had planned for the children to success him, shouldn't he started prepare them for that like ... years ago?

- The rite of succession should be like the graduation exam for the children ability to rule, not their FIRST lesson to kingship.

- Wuk and Koana were completely oblivious to most of the land culture and history, while Zoraal Ja suffered a depression so deep it turned into a delusion. (I don't believe Zoraal Ja ever care about his people, his belief in war is basically a way for him to cope with his depression).


And the worst part ... just like the Maamo Ja's story, Gulool Ja ja know about this. The scene after our duel where he admit that none of his children are ready, then declare "well if they're not ready after this I'll just kick their arse and continue to rule muahahaha" triggered me. Now I'm pretty sure the writers thought this scene make him look cool and badarse - which is what they're trying to do with character of this trope. But I was like ... you know they are your children right? If none of them are ready to rule ... whose fault you think that is? So why do you act like it's not your problem!?!?b I'm sorry, the callousness of this scene ensure there is no way anyone can convince me Gulool Ja ja is a good parents.

You know we actually have a pretty close comparison to Gulool Ja Ja. I presented to you ... G'raha. You actually can draw a lot parallel between Gulool Ja Ja's rule and G'raha in the first:

- They are both savior and united their people.

- They both usher the population into a period of stability and prosperity.

- We enter their story at the tail end of their rule.

- G'raha also had an adoptive (grand)daughter, Lyna.

We also didn't see much of direct rulership from G'raha but unlike Gulool, we actually got enough exposition to get a good idea about it. G'raha made sure to set up the structure and organizations of the Crystarium in a way that they are ready for his eventual departure. Comparing that to Gulool's last minute search for a successor and ... well?

I don't think I need to describe how beautifully and masterfully crafted the dynamic between Lyna and G'raha? The fact that Gulool Ja Ja have THREE children yet the story manage to give us almost zero exposition on this kind of dynamic is ... kinda amazing really.

It really just show the gap between the writing of DT and previous expansion. And as a I had expressed before (in another thread), I'm someone who always tie the characters to their writing. So bad writing = bad characters, as simple as that.