Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Voidmage]

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That's more or less what i was saying xD.
The problem is the writing itself. Sorry if it's hard to understand. I tend to rambling on such things.

Do we actually know how old the city is?
The fighting was stopped 80 years ago and i would guess most of Gulool JaJa's time was spend building it afterwards.

But the thing with the HanuHanu greeting is one I can't accept.
It's introduced as extremely important to them. They wouldn't give it up because they live in a city now.
Look at the bowing in japanese or the handshake here in europe.
These are all small but important greeting customs that don't change because people live in a city even in one with different cultures.

Thank you for bringing the quest things up. I haven't done fisher yet so I didn't know it.

Yeah I agree, there is huge shift between inside the city and outside it in narrative but if the Pelupelu are anything to go by it shouldn't be such a huge gap normaly.
Maybe I saw wrong but the foodstands seem to be mostly run by Mamool ja and Hrtothgar so their cutlure actually also seems to still exist.

Completely agree with you on the Gulool JaJA and Zoraal Ja points.


I think DT has had a very good premise and good characters but was completely ruined by the handling of it, most of all Wuk Lamat.
It's like they took the story board itself and forgot to write around it.
It all probably makes sense in the devs head but falls flat as a written stoy.

[Papayatar]

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Oh ok! We’re on the same page sorry for misunderstanding.

Actually! That’s a good question how old is the city? Maybe it’s a little older because they have a lot built up. I think they said it was an old Giant settlement that got repurposed but with how thriving it is, even for at minimum an 80 year period, he must have gotten started earlier so the earlier adopters helped build the city and in the 80 year slowly getting more people to build it to what it is now.

I think the Hanu Hanu greeting thing, if relating it to handshakes and bows, would be like if a Japanese person moved to USA and USA to Japan. Initially they may do it in the first months because it’s ingrained into where they came from. They’ll change to adapt the new location and do whatever fits that area. But, I will say you’re right it doesn’t just go away, using the IRL example, that kind of thing even if you’ve been out of your home country for decades like if a family member comes to visit the greeting happens.

So I wonder if what we’re really seeing just a result or the current/younger generation who might not put as much emphasis because of the melting pot thing. Like how you get kids of immigrants sometimes going against tradition or actively choosing not to because they’re not in parent/grandparent home country so they don’t see it necessary to keep up and/or their peers aren’t only from family country so they’re not gonna do it or demand others do it. Like they might do it at home but outside of that not so much.

Plus like imagine early Tural having communication break down because the Hanu require the greeting in addition to the tensions that will still be there initially with the Mamool Ja and Xbr’aal even though they came to get away from that. They def had to make adjustments so I’m guessing the younger generation might not adhere to the older generation traditions.

Also, I think the only thing that actual shows people are continuing with cultural traditions in Tural is in one of the BTN/MIN delivery quests. And that’s a little complicated because it’s with a Viera/Shetona. So it’s possible the person is 80+ and has continued with important cultural stuff so that’s why it’s still going. So I’d want to see what their kids and grandkids are doing.

Oh I didn’t mean the vendors! There are NPCs around Aunt Tii’s stand that are Hanu who are eating tacos or drinking, a few others are scattered, but their dialogues or emotes don’t show anything that’s like base level traditions are being maintained. Like you could swap them for any other race in Tural and it’d be the same.

But yeah, DT has elements of good story but the writers borked it, to the point it seems there’s more effort into piecing the story and lore together here on the forums than what the writers presented us with lol.

[Voidmage]

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I forgot about the giants building the city.
You are right the structure itself probably already existed then and was just "refurbished".

Hmm I think it would be more like if someone moved on their own continent. Japan-USA would be Othard-New World I think.
You are right though with the younger generation. those usually tend to forgo rites and culture in a city. I think it was also said that the die hard conservatives stayed in their old homes. Maybe that has something to do.
I don't think The Hanu greeting would be a dealbreaker for communication personally. The entire city was build around accepting each other so I wouldn't be surprised if people just learned and adapted some things and just went with the flow.

I havent finished the DoH quests yet (busy farming a mount that doesn't seem to exist) just starting them right now. So far the sidequests do a pretty good job at telling things that should have been in the MSQ. I think the aether current quests are some of the best we have gotten till now.

I think, as harsh as that sounds, the NPC's all doing the same emotes as any other race is just minimum development as is the whole no culture in the city thing.
The devs didn't implement any of it and I don't even think it's lazyness or so, just saving money by copy pasting assets.

I wholeheartedly agree with your last sentence. It's so damn sad what we got when all the potential was there.
It's like having all the good parts for a modell and then assembling it all wrong, breaking things and patching it up with glue.

[Savagelf]

Is Wuk Lamar woke no does overwhelmed personality yes. Is gulool Jaja a good father no. The issue seems he didn't give each child time experience the world

[Savagelf]

Wuk Lamar is spoiled hot head head strong want be center of attention and navie not used hardship. The product of private child

[Raven2014]

Is Wuk Lamar woke no does overwhelmed personality yes. Is gulool Jaja a good father no. The issue seems he didn't give each child time experience the world

Frankly I think Gulool Jaja is a bad character, up there with Wuk Lamat or even worse.

He seems to be a bad father given how one dimension all 3 of his characters are. But ... is he even a good ruler.

The most baffling aspect about his rule is the story of the Mamook Ja ... you know ... his own people?

So the Mamook Ja was so desperated that they decided to dig a tunnel through the mountain and committed to a bloody war to a better life.

Gulool Jaja appeared, give them a meal and just tell them to go home. Yay, great ruler!!

But from what we see, he literally did NOTHING to address the concern or the root cause of the war during the 80 years of his rule

The Mamook Ja was still suffering, was still desperate. Probably even more so than before.

[Savagelf]

Is there a message in wok lamah character she everything are young people are

[Papayatar]

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I think we’re not supposed to look too closely if Gulool Ja Ja was a good ruler (or father tbh) or not because then we’ll see all the cracks and duct tape barely holding his legacy together.

The Mamook issue was like a hole in the wall though. Like we’re told both sides were fighting, he and his group stepped in (sounds like they battled both sides) to get them to temp ceasefires. I think all we get is both sides were like, wow Gulool Ja Ja’s group overpowered both of us because they accepted their difference and used their strengths to work together. And the way it’s presented to us him forcing a sharing of meals broke some of the tension and then the rest is history and everything is hunky dory come to Tulliloyal if you want to live together or stay here and no fighting ok ;’).

But present day we have, the two groups just don’t fight anymore but there’s still conflict. So much so that the follow NPC aethercurrent quests reveals they neither group has set aside their difference enough to openly trade resources. With, those topside, one of the important resources being the bananas that are used to make their unified cuisine from when everything was “settled”.

Toss in it was revealed that toddler Wuk Lamat was purposely injured (or attempted murder?? She was pushed into a hole or something) and it was assumed to be by people from Mamook that still held a grudge.

You’d think maybe if he was a good ruler he’d IDK look into that incident a little harder than, I’ll just adopt her to protect her from the bad Mamook. Like that’d be a good time to go, maybe I need to readdress the relations and issues with Mamook. Maybe double so whenever he learns of Bakool Ja Ja’s existence because he should be aware of the pains it takes to have another two head successfully.

His whole thing was about unifying people but he ignored what was going on in his home town after he checked off stopping the war in that area and got them to have dinner together. Mission accomplished?

[Voidmage]

Frankly I think Gulool Jaja is a bad character, up there with Wuk Lamat or even worse.

He seems to be a bad father given how one dimension all 3 of his characters are. But ... is he even a good ruler.

The most baffling aspect about his rule is the story of the Mamook Ja ... you know ... his own people?

So the Mamook Ja was so desperated that they decided to dig a tunnel through the mountain and committed to a bloody war to a better life.

Gulool Jaja appeared, give them a meal and just tell them to go home. Yay, great ruler!!

But from what we see, he literally did NOTHING to address the concern or the root cause of the war during the 80 years of his rule

The Mamook Ja was still suffering, was still desperate. Probably even more so than before.

I hate the story as much as any here but hard disagree.

Gulool JaJa was neither a bad character nor was he a bad father.

He is one of the few characters in the story that actually FEELS like a character and not just a walking trope or plot devise.

It's also clear he was a good father to his children. None of them hated that part about him, not even Zoraal Ja and he clearly only had the best for Tural in mind.

The Mamook Ja thing is kinda stupid yes but there are actually two things to consider.
Gulool JaJa was a leader and the probably had the first half of his reign his hand full of actually making a city that doesn't kill each other.
Let's also remember that those guys chose to stay behind and suffer.

The whole Mamool ja stuff was first and foremost attrocious writing with them not even bothering trying differnent crops or something else.
They could also have just raised animals and traded the rest if they wanted to.
It's pretty clear their suffering at least is half self induced.

[Raven2014]

Gulool JaJa was neither a bad character nor was he a bad father.

He's bad in the same sense of most other DT's character is bad, the narrative barely tell us anything about them. We know he was a strong and wise character which demonstrated through his feast. But how was he as a ruler, we have a 80 years gap with literally nothing to fill.

He is one of the few characters in the story that actually FEELS like a character and not just a walking trope or plot devise.

First, I think that's because he's actually pretty empty. Second I also disagree about he's not a trope, he's actually one of the VERY typical one. The super-cool character who is also designed to die to either make room for or push the rest of the cast. Top of my heads let's see ... Duncan from Dragon Age Origin, Mother Queen from Suikoden 5, Jeralt from Fire Emblem Three Houses, General Ouki from Kingdom, and a lot more. Seriously, he's the type of character that after 2 interaction I was like "yep, this guy gonna die, soon".

Here is one of your (J)RPG 101: if the parents of an important character appear in the same story, there is a good chance the parents are there to die. And the cooler the parents, the higher the chance of that happening. It's very old formula.

It's also clear he was a good father to his children. None of them hated that part about him, not even Zoraal Ja and he clearly only had the best for Tural in mind.

I know quite a few "children" who love their parents very much, whether they're well adjusted individual though ... I don't think the metric you're using are accurate nor reliable.

Gulool JaJa was a leader and the probably had the first half of his reign his hand full of actually making a city that doesn't kill each other.

I'm not gonna say you're wrong but you don't know that it's true either. And this is the problem, we're trying to fill the gap with conjecture because the narrative doesn't tell us anything.

The whole Mamool ja stuff was first and foremost attrocious writing with them not even bothering trying differnent crops or something else.
They could also have just raised animals and traded the rest if they wanted to.
It's pretty clear their suffering at least is half self induced.

The worst part of this is how "laughable easy" we were able to solve this 80+ years issue when we arrived. Gulool Ja Ja reached out to the Krile's grand father while Konoa essentially went for a full scholarship, this show they're well connected and aware of the Sharyaland capability. His right hand man stayed in that forest for 80 years, and were a world renown seasonal adventure ... and you tell absolutely no one were able to come up with such a simple and obvious solution? The whole super baby thing is like jumping to the letter Z to solve the issue while ignoring all the ABC before that.

Also you can read Papayatar's reply right above for further explanation why this story is a really bad reflection on Gulool Ja Ja