Wow, Wuk Lamat is really single-handedly ruining the DT story...

[Althalan]

OMG just saw Zepla's playthrough during Living Memory. Check it out!. After the devastating, beautiful scene when Erenville says goodbye to his mother and we see her return to the the Lifestream, Wuk Lamat interrupts the moment and practically says "OK we are done here". Zepla inmediately ravages her by saying BITCH this is NOT about you, shut up, for once, get out of my game!. #eraseWukLamat. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-P2...6plIoUNYR91Bei. Zepla keep going! You are amazing!

[Ruris]

OMG just saw Zepla's playthrough during Living Memory. Check it out!. After the devastating, beautiful scene when Erenville says goodbye to his mother and we see her return to the the Lifestream, Wuk Lamat interrupts the moment and practically says "OK we are done here". Zepla inmediately ravages her by saying BITCH this is NOT about you, shut up, for once, get out of my game!. #eraseWukLamat. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-P2...6plIoUNYR91Bei. Zepla keep going! You are amazing!

Thanks for the heads up on this. I don't have the energy to watch the main FFXIV influencers play FFXIV for too long, or on a regular basis, so when people post clips here I do really appreciate it. Zepla I particularly enjoy lately because her level of tired and frustration with the MSQ and Wuk Lamat resonates with me more than anyone else I have seen.

[SteakDriven]

OMG just saw Zepla's playthrough during Living Memory. Check it out!. After the devastating, beautiful scene when Erenville says goodbye to his mother and we see her return to the the Lifestream, Wuk Lamat interrupts the moment and practically says "OK we are done here". Zepla inmediately ravages her by saying BITCH this is NOT about you, shut up, for once, get out of my game!. #eraseWukLamat. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-P2...6plIoUNYR91Bei. Zepla keep going! You are amazing!

What was her reaction to the godawful acting during Namikka and Wuk Lamat's goodbye?

[gumas]

Imagine you work hard in your company for years, you finally get a week off holiday, you plan everything, you are excited.

Only for your most annoying friend to come together with you uninvited, but it didnt just stop there, he forced you to go where he want to, he the one do the talking for you, he came to your room every night, he is the one who play the attraction not you, he the one who meet new people not you, he dont has personal space at all, and everytime he did something he give this "i did good right? Iam a good friend right?" look to you and you being a natural decent person cant help but say yes to him

This is how i felt throughtout msq, i though this is suppose to be my holiday? Why it become her holiday instead yoshi? Wtf?

[Raven2014]

Nono, you missunderstand me. I'm not saying he as no tropes. I'm saying he deosn't feel like it.

The point is he IS one, and he certainly felt like one to me. Because these characters only have limited amount of time and because they must 'cause some soft impact that the players can feel or related to, they're often given very strong first impression. What you are describing isn't the trope, just different examples of how the trope is used. The existence of these characters, they are the trope themselves. Gulool Ja Ja pretty much followed this formula to a T.

Sorry but this here I don't understand.
You are using psychological problems here. Gulool JaJa was absolutely not an abusing parent or something.

That's not what I'm saying. Say if you have a parents that spoiled their kids rotten, it's very likely the kids will see the parents as the world to them ... but if that's all to it ... that's not good parenting isn't? The point is, good parenting isn't just about making sure the kids love and respect you, but also making sure they grow up well adjusted and well prepared for the challenge that will await them. And I'm sorry, there is no way Gulool Ja Ja would earn a passing mark for the second part.

- If he had planned for the children to success him, shouldn't he started prepare them for that like ... years ago?

- The rite of succession should be like the graduation exam for the children ability to rule, not their FIRST lesson to kingship.

- Wuk and Koana were completely oblivious to most of the land culture and history, while Zoraal Ja suffered a depression so deep it turned into a delusion. (I don't believe Zoraal Ja ever care about his people, his belief in war is basically a way for him to cope with his depression).


And the worst part ... just like the Maamo Ja's story, Gulool Ja ja know about this. The scene after our duel where he admit that none of his children are ready, then declare "well if they're not ready after this I'll just kick their arse and continue to rule muahahaha" triggered me. Now I'm pretty sure the writers thought this scene make him look cool and badarse - which is what they're trying to do with character of this trope. But I was like ... you know they are your children right? If none of them are ready to rule ... whose fault you think that is? So why do you act like it's not your problem!?!?b I'm sorry, the callousness of this scene ensure there is no way anyone can convince me Gulool Ja ja is a good parents.

You know we actually have a pretty close comparison to Gulool Ja Ja. I presented to you ... G'raha. You actually can draw a lot parallel between Gulool Ja Ja's rule and G'raha in the first:

- They are both savior and united their people.

- They both usher the population into a period of stability and prosperity.

- We enter their story at the tail end of their rule.

- G'raha also had an adoptive (grand)daughter, Lyna.

We also didn't see much of direct rulership from G'raha but unlike Gulool, we actually got enough exposition to get a good idea about it. G'raha made sure to set up the structure and organizations of the Crystarium in a way that they are ready for his eventual departure. Comparing that to Gulool's last minute search for a successor and ... well?

I don't think I need to describe how beautifully and masterfully crafted the dynamic between Lyna and G'raha? The fact that Gulool Ja Ja have THREE children yet the story manage to give us almost zero exposition on this kind of dynamic is ... kinda amazing really.

It really just show the gap between the writing of DT and previous expansion. And as a I had expressed before (in another thread), I'm someone who always tie the characters to their writing. So bad writing = bad characters, as simple as that.

[EusisLandale]

OMG just saw Zepla's playthrough during Living Memory. Check it out!. After the devastating, beautiful scene when Erenville says goodbye to his mother and we see her return to the the Lifestream, Wuk Lamat interrupts the moment and practically says "OK we are done here". Zepla inmediately ravages her by saying BITCH this is NOT about you, shut up, for once, get out of my game!. #eraseWukLamat. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-P2...6plIoUNYR91Bei. Zepla keep going! You are amazing!

Going further ahead in that to the end of the trial and she has a little bit of a meltdown over that garbage too.

[Trevski]

I thought I'd add in my own contribution to this thread, since Highlander Clone seems to be collecting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjTSlnGDMl4

For those who may not want to go all the way through, although I'm not enamored with Wuk Lamat, I don't think the basic idea of her character is wrong...it's just that there's a combination of too much passive gameplay, mediocre writing and an overabundance of Wuk Lamat at the expense of other characters.

[All_Nonsense]

OMG just saw Zepla's playthrough during Living Memory. Check it out!. After the devastating, beautiful scene when Erenville says goodbye to his mother and we see her return to the the Lifestream, Wuk Lamat interrupts the moment and practically says "OK we are done here". Zepla inmediately ravages her by saying BITCH this is NOT about you, shut up, for once, get out of my game!. #eraseWukLamat. https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx-P2...6plIoUNYR91Bei. Zepla keep going! You are amazing!

Something to note: No one got to have their special moment in this expac. No one except Wuk Lamat of course. When it comes to Koanna's growth, Wuk Lamat has to be crammed in there to say her piece. When Erenville's MOTHER DIED and he had JUST WATCHED HIS MOTHER DIE, Wuk Lamat starts yapping and then we just move on? Just like that? There was a whole scene with Urianger meeting Moenbryda's parents where they were given some space to handle their grief. Even Krile, who has insane lore developments doesn't get to have her special moment. The earring that started this whole journey and led us here - the one from Krile's dad Galuf? The one that turned out to be the key to the golden city after Krile's real name was revealed? Krile didn't get to use it. She had to share her special moment with some kid that didn't have a place in the story at all. She had to give it to some random minor side-character and then that character got to open the door for her. And that was it. That was Krile's moment.

[Trevski]

Something to note: No one got to have their special moment in this expac. No one except Wuk Lamat of course. When it comes to Koanna's growth, Wuk Lamat has to be crammed in there to say her piece. When Erenville's MOTHER DIED and he had JUST WATCHED HIS MOTHER DIE, Wuk Lamat starts yapping and then we just move on? Just like that? There was a whole scene with Urianger meeting Moenbryda's parents where they were given some space to handle their grief. Even Krile, who has insane lore developments doesn't get to have her special moment. The earring that started this whole journey and led us here - the one from Krile's dad Galuf? The one that turned out to be the key to the golden city after Krile's real name was revealed? Krile didn't get to use it. She had to share her special moment with some kid that didn't have a place in the story at all. She had to give it to some random minor side-character and then that character got to open the door for her. And that was it. That was Krile's moment.

It's even more frustrating when you consider that her only meaningful contribution was introducing Pictomancer...in a duty where Wuk Lamat takes up 90% of the screen time. And that happens before Dawntrail proper.

It'd have been fun if we did a Thancred-like instance like what we did in Shadowbringers or Endwalker. Or if Krile did anything beyond just stand and go 'I agree with Wuk Lamat.'

I don't even really care about Krile. Like, she's not my favorite character or anything, but it's disappointing that no characters really get an opportunity to shine in this expansion. Except one.

[gumas]

Yoshi better say something for next livestream, at least confirming that they put too much wuk lamat in it and promose to make her less appear on next story or something