Problem with toxic casual players on this forum

[Dovaah]

The story IS bad, and they literally butched every single scion so the can simp Poochie, and ask about Poochie when she's not on screen. While Lamat is not the main issue, and still they have problems in the quest part and how questing is done poorly, the dungeons, trials and raids have been great so far. While, i really don't think these new dungeons are "hard" i mean if you don't know how to use your job this far (IE healing/tanking) then is a "you" problem.

- Speak to Wuk Lamat
- Speak to Wuk Lamat again
- Speak to Wuk Lamat yet again
- Speak to 3 villagers

[fatvalentine]

I don't understand how the complainers were okay with Barbariccia, Golbez and Pandaemonium in EW, or Warrior of Light in ShB, but somehow to them this new content is too much.

[Colt47]

If they make the controls more complicated and go back to heavensward there would be a mass exodus of players from the game. The current content balance has had better player retention then Stormblood, but I do feel like due to how they have to do difficulty in this game people are either having an engaging time the first few times they do something and then it gets boring, or it turns into cram school for hours getting frustrated at that one guy who didn't do a mechanic right because he is still learning something earlier in the fight than the rest of the group. I mean getting into the higher tier content feels like someone is applying for a job and often times that application needs to be made months in advance to even get in.

[Aurelius2625]

To all the whiny people that are going to get triggered, it is what it is, but to those willing to seriously reflect on whether they want to be a winner or a loser:

"I HAVE X Y Z LIMITATION, EVERYTHING NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO MAKE ME FEEL BETTER!" Oh yeah? Hellen Keller was blind, deaf, and mute... instead of being a cry baby demanding the world warp to her own situation, she realized that she was in for a hard life. harder than most could even fathom. Instead of folding like laundry, she rose to the occasion. Instead of her disabilities or limitations defining her, she defined her own existence. If you want me to pat you on the head and tell you that you're such a good boy, you're wrong. You aren't a cute doggo. It's level 90 to level 100 content. Grow up and realize that you're only a failure and you're only done when you say you are. Adversity is GOOD. Challenge is GOOD. Failure is GOOD...if you learn from these things. "IT GIVES ME ANXIETY SO IT SHOULD NOT EXIST!"

That's a weakling's mentality. If you were literally any other species, you'd be left to die in the wild. Do you think SO LITTLE of yourself and your own intelligence, capabilities, and limits that you would fold so easily? Look man...I've never healed seriously before...but I decided that I wasn't going to let myself be limited. I've healed and although I don't run the funny numbers machine, others did in my pug PFs, and was pleasantly surprised that I could heal on Sage and do it well enough to be complimented on it. I've mained Tank since Creator in Heavensward. I'm not letting anything tell me what I am capable of doing, except for myself.

Either get busy living, or get busy dying. Only you get to decide if you remain a failure or not. The world isn't pretty. It's not going to tell you that you're a good boy/girl and tuck you in at night. If you want to CALL YOURSELF an adult, you must ACT LIKE IT and RISE to the challenge.

It's level 90 to 100. It's not Satasha anymore. Difficulty SHOULD and WILL increase whether you like it or not. You do not have to participate. You can sit on the side lines and cry about how your disability or baldness or Taco Bell induced diarrhea is keeping you from clearing x y or z content...but it's not anything but your own mind. It's just that simple. So many people with limitations either humble themselves and realize when they are just not going to make it without some serious help, or, they give up and remain a failure. But you know what? If someone is eating floor while having a disability and voices that they want to keep trying? I will STAY IN THAT INSTANCE and MAKE ANOTHER if we time out because that person has decided that they are a winner, not a loser and they are a fighter, not a folder. They are willing to get in that arena, and I will stay with them as long as they want to keep trying. I respect people that fail and try again. I don't respect whiny kiddos that make everything into an excuse and why I should feel bad for them.

I don't feel bad for you. I feel bad for your parents and ancestors. I feel bad for everyone that believed in you, supported you, loved you, and for all that love and support you have chosen to fold. To give in. To admit that you aren't even going to bother to try and fight. No. You're just going to roll over and cry about how bad you have it. Well, like I said before: You either get busy living, or get busy dying. I suppose that you've made up your mind. Feel free to join the rest of us that didn't decide to give up when you are over your pity party.

[Oku-1]

It's so funny seeing people project about "toxic" casuals who are "out of control" when they're the ones spamming new threads complaining about complainers. We have dozens of threads solely dedicated to "fighting" the evil "toxic casuals". I have seen no more than five posters who have sensible criticisms of the content and hundreds who are attacking those posters. You can't even mention the netcode without getting told to uninstall and seek psychiatric treatment. Why is Final Fantasy XIV like this in 2024? Something snapped. You all weren't spamming the forums years ago when content was in faceroll mode. In fact, people criticizing Endwalker were also insulted just like Dawntrail critics are now. Two sides of the same coin, you and the "toxic casuals" are the same.

You spent well over a dozen pages on another thread calling everybody who doesn't think the game has gotten too hard part of a toxic hivemind getting directed by evil youtubers and when you got literally the most light-hearted pushback imaginable to claims like that you started screaming that the community has turned evil and is making the game look bad.

I sincerely urge you to take a look at your own behavior before you start ranting about other people.

[SeriousPan]

Wild Star is a perfect example of this. Good MMO, but focused so much on the hardcore, it couldn't keep a healthy playerbase.

There's slightly more to it on that front. Players internationally had bad ping. Players in Asia/Oceania couldn't compete properly with their pings and at the time it was hard to reduce the latency. Since there was no way for them to be viably competitive they got immediately alienated from endgame, I played from Australia and while I ADORE Wild Star I know that its bad choices with servers killed us off pretty quick.

[TBerry]

Let me expand this:
If the "hardcore" (midcore savage raider) crowd ran this game, the game wouldn't just be harder, it would change the community as a whole:
- Everything would be locked behind endgame
- You need to rush to endgame to unlock endgame, which will lead to competition
- There will be more greed and ego, causing sabotage, backstabbing, and more Rin Kirigane like situations, or shaming others for parses
- Generally more harassment
- Cheating while driving campaigns to accuse others of cheating

Don't let sweatlords control the game.

[Volgia]

Let me expand this:
If the "hardcore" (midcore savage raider) crowd ran this game, the game wouldn't just be harder, it would change the community as a whole:
- Everything would be locked behind endgame
- You need to rush to endgame to unlock endgame, which will lead to competition
- There will be more greed and ego, causing sabotage, backstabbing, and more Rin Kirigane like situations, or shaming others for parses
- Generally more harassment
- Cheating while driving campaigns to accuse others of cheating

Don't let sweatlords control the game.

What do you mean by everything would be locked behind endgame?

[TBerry]

What do you mean by everything would be locked behind endgame?

Anything that is NOT MSQ or raids.
Should've mentioned that savage and Ultimates would be required.

[Packetdancer]

Wild Star is a perfect example of this. Good MMO, but focused so much on the hardcore, it couldn't keep a healthy playerbase.

In fairness, that was not the only contributing factor in Wildstar's failure. It was a factor, no question; to keep a large and diverse playerbase around, you need a variety of activities people can engage in at endgame, and much as I adored that game I have to agree it fell short in that regard.

But even so, that situation was definitely not the only domino in that chain.