Difficulty of normal content.

[AurisNix]

Agree with the thread (and the Japanese players) content is way too hard this expac. The game built a fanbase who likes content a certain way and y'all want to make it too challenging and squeeze everyone who has been here eight years out. I just won't play anymore.

Now this is a good reaction, is okey to stop playing the game, if the game is not for you anymore then just leave, wanna find out how hard the game is? Someone in this thread had the best response ever go do older content in Minimum Item Level with no Echo, I would love to see ppl doing some of ARR dungeons like that, there still are dungeons in ARR that needs good healing and mits to not wipe, pulling wall to wall is super hard.

One of the best moments I had in this game was playing with a tank in DF that had huge limitations and did this macro explaining it, was a very hard dungeon as well and that person was a champ wall to wall pulls perfectly timed mits and not a single death. And I could see that person had trouble moving the character but still did it super fine and dodge alot of boss attacks, I cannot imagine someone saying this game is too hard when this community have players like that and do fine, after 100 levels, after years of playing, after seen tons of mechs (same mechs that still are the same in DT only showed in a different way) still struggle to play the game. Thats a YOU problem not an issue with the game or the design, whats an issue with a game is when you basically do NOTHING other than just walk and the game plays itself for you and btw you already have that option EW was everything about it you have trust system and npcs that will never die and do all the mechs you can just walk and follow for all the MSQ

[Deslyxic]

if the game is not for you anymore then just leave

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

[Smoozie]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

I agree with the language used is overly harsh and exclusionary, but the opening and your later posts reads to me like you want to have a smooth experience without any friction or setbacks, ignoring the irony given the story of the game, that does give the impression that playing the current (casual) endgame of an MMO without using guides might just not be the right experience for you.

For example you say;

And it's not an issue of learning the fight, because that I can do, but we don't do this content alone, you know? I think it was the 4th time I was doing Valigarmanda when I finally managed to finish without dying myself, but that's a moot point when half the party was dead half of the time, even knowing the fight doesn't make it any less of a disheartening experience.

Mentioning 4 attempts, presumably done without any guides, before you finish the trial for a messy kill. To you this was somehow disheartening? To me and many others I know it reads like a triumph, you overcame the challenge and saved the world from Valigarmanda.

I truly don't want to put words in your mouth, but I struggle to interpret what you say as any other way, so please correct me if I misrepresented your preferred experience.

[caffe_macchiato]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

[SirShady]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

Or maybe the majority of the general playerbase is happy that the normal content is more interesting and engaging. When you say "just for them" and "the only people who are buying Dawntrail" you're actually just talking about most of the playerbase.

Yes, the majority of Final Fantasy players wanted this change and are happy for it. That doesn't make them toxic elitists either. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but if you could stop being a delusional doomsayer for a second and treat people with an ounce of sympathy you might see why you sound a little silly.

[caffe_macchiato]

Or maybe the majority of the general playerbase is happy that the normal content is more interesting and engaging

Yes, the majority of Final Fantasy players wanted this change and are happy for it.

Agreed, the new content itself is good. It's not as hard as you want to think that it is. I don't understand why everyone else is acting like it's such a big change, but you are. You and your acolytes are using these tiny raid changes as an excuse to lash out against one single person who has a criticism to make. There are over 900 posts in this thread now. Most of which are spewing vitriol against just one person. FFXIV is so unlike its players. I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS. You all have swarmed every corner of the forums, Reddit, in-game chat, and elsewhere, just within the past week. It's incredible how quick everyone's programming changed.

That doesn't make them toxic elitists either.

Telling someone to uninstall the game is a bit too far.

I'm thankful for the OPs post. The sheer amount of push back this post has gained from multiple sides of the community surely will tell the devs all they need to know about what direction they should be taking concerning fight design.

Actually, the devs mostly read the Japanese forums, and they are complaining a lot more than we are, mainly about hitboxes and clipping. Their community is less of a hivemind and their national economy doesn't rely on YouTubers and Twitch streamers dictating what they're allowed to think.

[Oku-1]

Agreed, the new content itself is good. It's not as hard as you want to think that it is. I don't understand why everyone else is acting like it's such a big change, but you are. You and your acolytes are using these tiny raid changes as an excuse to lash out against one single person who has a criticism to make. There are over 900 posts in this thread now. Most of which are spewing vitriol against just one person. FFXIV is so unlike its players. I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS. You all have swarmed every corner of the forums, Reddit, in-game chat, and elsewhere, just within the past week. It's incredible how quick everyone's programming changed.



Telling someone to uninstall the game is a bit too far.



Actually, the devs mostly read the Japanese forums, and they are complaining a lot more than we are, mainly about hitboxes and clipping. Their community is less of a hivemind and their national economy doesn't rely on YouTubers and Twitch streamers dictating what they're allowed to think.

You are by far the most toxic person I've seen in this thread at this point.

This impulsive, violent hatred you seem to have for people simply voicing their disagreement with the OP is wild. You're trying to imply "the majority of people here are spitting vitriol because they're a hivemind that follows youtubers" like do you actually hear yourself right now? Can you genuinely tell me that you honestly think that you are totally in the right and a good and pure little angel when you say nonsense like that?

Meanwhile in a previous post you're trying to bring up the "reviews" of Dawntrail which are near entirely positive except for Steam where a bunch of scathingly bigoted individuals are leaving nasty reviews calling Wuk Lamat's VA slurs and whining about "wokeness", ironically because those people actually do just go attack and harass people at the behest of a handful of culture war grifters on twitter.

Please take a breath and log off. You're not helping the OP.

[caffe_macchiato]

You are by far the most toxic person I've seen in this thread at this point.

Stating my opinion is not "violent". Telling someone to quit playing the game and uninstall is a violation of the TOS. You are only lashing out because you feel threatened that the developers will take away "your" content if OP is allowed to comment. Final Fantasy XIV is a video game. If the game ends up not being for you, then don't play. There are people who have gotten far too aggressive on both sides, mainly yours, because they don't want to lose "their" game.

Also, Dawntrail is the worst-reviewed FFXIV expansion on every aggregate site, for critics and for community, and is even lower than Dragonflight, FFXIV's main competitor. That's not my opinion, that's just a fact.

[SirShady]

Agreed, the new content itself is good. It's not as hard as you want to think that it is. I don't understand why everyone else is acting like it's such a big change, but you are.

Hypocrisy. 99% of people thought it was a good change and left feedback as such. The people who think its a "big change" are people like the OP who are freaking out about dying to content on day 1 and get defensive when told "maybe you should give it time or practice".

You and your acolytes are using these tiny raid changes as an excuse to lash out against one single person who has a criticism to make. There are over 900 posts in this thread now. Most of which are spewing vitriol against just one person.

Me and my acolytes? What the hell are you on about? I'm just one dude. You're on a controversial post that went viral because it is so easily disagreed with by the vast majority of the playerbase. I'm sorry it upsets you that some people might not sugarcoat their opinion, but that's the nature of the internet. You got to learn to see past that stuff and actually engage in the conversation.

I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS.

What are you TALKING ABOUT? I don't respect what the devs were trying to do? I want it to be "my time"? You do realize all I said was "most players like the change", right? Nothing against OP's opinion. I didn't even state MY opinion. Just "hey, try considering it from another perspective" and yet you're hear labeling me as some kind of self-centered belligerent hivemind. Everyone here is an individual. I did not tell someone to uninstall the game. Stop derailing the conversation and acting like I'm responsible for stuff other people have said.

Nah, you know what, you deserve all the crap coming to you. If you want to be that confrontational and delusional flying into a victim complex rant over someone asking you to reconsider how the other side feel, you don't deserve respect. If you can't separate individuals from each other and can't see past some less than flattering words on an internet forum to actually have a discussion, you shouldn't be on the internet.

Uninstall you fragile-minded nutcase.

[Larkeicus767]

I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS.

Just imagine being such a hypocrite and with your head up where the sun doesn't hit that YOU can't respect what the devs were trying to do this expac.

The sheer hypocrisy and toxicity emanating from you is legitimately astounding, you need to get out of your high horse that somehow YOU more than everybody else knows what the devs were intending to do since they LITERALLY proved you wrong with this expac and somehow you still cling on to that you know more than them about how to go about treating their community, when said community is literally giving you both polite and unpolite responses as to why that's not true and how they support the devs vision for this content.

I feel sorry for you, I truly do, you're legitimately being a karen about a videogame.