Difficulty of normal content.

[NightHour]

Agree with the thread (and the Japanese players) content is way too hard this expac. The game built a fanbase who likes content a certain way and y'all want to make it too challenging and squeeze everyone who has been here eight years out. I just won't play anymore.

That's a you problem.

Improve as a player.

[AurisNix]

Agree with the thread (and the Japanese players) content is way too hard this expac. The game built a fanbase who likes content a certain way and y'all want to make it too challenging and squeeze everyone who has been here eight years out. I just won't play anymore.

Now this is a good reaction, is okey to stop playing the game, if the game is not for you anymore then just leave, wanna find out how hard the game is? Someone in this thread had the best response ever go do older content in Minimum Item Level with no Echo, I would love to see ppl doing some of ARR dungeons like that, there still are dungeons in ARR that needs good healing and mits to not wipe, pulling wall to wall is super hard.

One of the best moments I had in this game was playing with a tank in DF that had huge limitations and did this macro explaining it, was a very hard dungeon as well and that person was a champ wall to wall pulls perfectly timed mits and not a single death. And I could see that person had trouble moving the character but still did it super fine and dodge alot of boss attacks, I cannot imagine someone saying this game is too hard when this community have players like that and do fine, after 100 levels, after years of playing, after seen tons of mechs (same mechs that still are the same in DT only showed in a different way) still struggle to play the game. Thats a YOU problem not an issue with the game or the design, whats an issue with a game is when you basically do NOTHING other than just walk and the game plays itself for you and btw you already have that option EW was everything about it you have trust system and npcs that will never die and do all the mechs you can just walk and follow for all the MSQ

[Deslyxic]

if the game is not for you anymore then just leave

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

[Smoozie]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

I agree with the language used is overly harsh and exclusionary, but the opening and your later posts reads to me like you want to have a smooth experience without any friction or setbacks, ignoring the irony given the story of the game, that does give the impression that playing the current (casual) endgame of an MMO without using guides might just not be the right experience for you.

For example you say;

And it's not an issue of learning the fight, because that I can do, but we don't do this content alone, you know? I think it was the 4th time I was doing Valigarmanda when I finally managed to finish without dying myself, but that's a moot point when half the party was dead half of the time, even knowing the fight doesn't make it any less of a disheartening experience.

Mentioning 4 attempts, presumably done without any guides, before you finish the trial for a messy kill. To you this was somehow disheartening? To me and many others I know it reads like a triumph, you overcame the challenge and saved the world from Valigarmanda.

I truly don't want to put words in your mouth, but I struggle to interpret what you say as any other way, so please correct me if I misrepresented your preferred experience.

[caffe_macchiato]

Can we cut it out with "the game maybe isn't for you anymore". I think we grew too accustomed to tell that to new players that criticize the game without finishing ARR, but you don't understand how awful is to say that to a person that sunk god only knows how many hours into the game, that the game they love is kicking them into the curb for no fault of their own, and you don't understand how disheartening it is because it's not being said to you.

And rest assured that the people that don't enjoy the game anymore won't be playing it, only WoW players keep playing a game they actively hate and even they have a limit.

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

[SirShady]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

Or maybe the majority of the general playerbase is happy that the normal content is more interesting and engaging. When you say "just for them" and "the only people who are buying Dawntrail" you're actually just talking about most of the playerbase.

Yes, the majority of Final Fantasy players wanted this change and are happy for it. That doesn't make them toxic elitists either. I know that's a hard pill to swallow, but if you could stop being a delusional doomsayer for a second and treat people with an ounce of sympathy you might see why you sound a little silly.

[caffe_macchiato]

Or maybe the majority of the general playerbase is happy that the normal content is more interesting and engaging

Yes, the majority of Final Fantasy players wanted this change and are happy for it.

Agreed, the new content itself is good. It's not as hard as you want to think that it is. I don't understand why everyone else is acting like it's such a big change, but you are. You and your acolytes are using these tiny raid changes as an excuse to lash out against one single person who has a criticism to make. There are over 900 posts in this thread now. Most of which are spewing vitriol against just one person. FFXIV is so unlike its players. I wish the players could respect what the devs were trying to do, but you don't. You want it to be "your time". You all saw the smidgen of changes happening in raids and used them as a shield to do things that are very against TOS. You all have swarmed every corner of the forums, Reddit, in-game chat, and elsewhere, just within the past week. It's incredible how quick everyone's programming changed.

That doesn't make them toxic elitists either.

Telling someone to uninstall the game is a bit too far.

I'm thankful for the OPs post. The sheer amount of push back this post has gained from multiple sides of the community surely will tell the devs all they need to know about what direction they should be taking concerning fight design.

Actually, the devs mostly read the Japanese forums, and they are complaining a lot more than we are, mainly about hitboxes and clipping. Their community is less of a hivemind and their national economy doesn't rely on YouTubers and Twitch streamers dictating what they're allowed to think.

[Deslyxic]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

Yeah, that sucks. I've haven't been approach in game as of yet. But even after being lambasted by posters, ridiculed by 3 mayor content creators and some smaller too, raided by 4chan and reddit, I am still here and I still believe that my opinions are fair and sensible. I stand by everything I wrote.

[SirShady]

Yeah, that sucks. I've haven't been approach in game as of yet. But even after being lambasted by posters, ridiculed by 3 mayor content creators and some smaller too, raided by 4chan and reddit, I am still here and I still believe that my opinions are fair and sensible. I stand by everything I wrote.

I respect your opinion, but the majority of players enjoy the new difficulty. Content, even normal content, is meant to be semi-challenging. You are meant to mess up mechanics and die and yes, sometimes even wipe. That is what makes the game interesting to a majority of players, the fact that it engages them.

I'm sorry you find that frustrating, but you are in the minority and that's just how it is. You have the right to ask for more easy content, and everyone else has the right to disagree with you. I'd recommend if you want to enjoy this new content, since more than likely they are going to stick to this level of difficulty that the majority of the playerbase enjoys, that you move past your frustrations. If you get better at doing this content, you won't have any reason to complain. You might even find that you enjoy the sense of accomplishment.

[Lizvette]

This is the "new Final Fantasy XIV". Because the reviews and the story are so bad, the only people who are buying Dawntrail are those who want to play the endgame content. FFXIV is no longer for general audiences, it's for those who've already mastered the content and want harder content. So all of the elitists have come out of the woodwork now that they finally feel it's safe to do so, and are spilling vitriol everywhere. I've even seen your post referenced in game, without anyone prompting it. They're so overjoyed that they have an expansion "just for them" and they want to make sure that no one else can ruin "their moment".

Until we get massive edits to the Dawntrail MSQ or a new starting point for new players, this is how FFXIV is going to be from now on. Odd how WoW is going to be the MMO for general audiences again for the first time in 20 years.

it's unbelievable how disingenuous you are.