Difficulty of normal content.

[Deejudanne]

It does have it.

a lot of it too

[RezPls]

the game needs to have doable / non stressd content for the less skilled / less capable / handicapped / etc. players too.., they should be "easy" but not boring (gawd, like the beast tribe quests, they could use more fun / engaging content too.., boring AF AND easy AF..)

Housing, Treasure Maps, Variant Dungeons, Legacy content, FATEs, Crafting and Gathering content, Hunt content; all of these are fall asleep at your computer easy and casual friendly. Consider those, if the challenge of Normal 8 mans and dungeons are too difficult for you.

Accept that exciting content is exciting because there's a bit of difficulty tied into them.

[Shiroe]

see entiled player here:
"you need to learn the mechs (you lazy f...) you need to stop being carried by other (you gifting f...), otherwise dont do dungeons, normal raids & ex trials, just AFK in limsa with the crafters only"
...
some players are just not as good, incapable to learn it (time restraints, living / distraction restraints, brain or psychological restraints, etc. etc.), not saying content has to remains boring AF, but mechanical difficulty is not the only solution

[VioletCatastrophe]

see entiled player here:
"you need to learn the mechs (you lazy f...) you need to stop being carried by other (you gifting f...), otherwise dont do dungeons, normal raids & ex trials, just AFK in limsa with the crafters only"
...
some players are just not as good, incapable to learn it (time restraints, living / distraction restraints, brain or psychological restraints, etc. etc.), not saying content has to remains boring AF, but mechanical difficulty is not the only solution

Well uh, taking away the tone...
You should learn the mechs.
You should probably improve at a game you've put in as much time as it takes to watch all of One Piece enough to not need a hard carry, indeed.
If you can't do the combat content and still want to play, there's plenty of non-combat content indeed, which might be more your speed.

How do you propose the combat content could be interesting without being challenging? Making it more cinematic maybe... but that literally only works the first time you do it.

Making excuses, and yes they are excuses, doesn't help anyone.
Time restraints? You have three years to do it all. If you cant do around 10 dungeons, 12 normal raid fights, about as many trials, and a few other things in that time then maybe the MMO genre just isn't for you. Even just 1 hour a week would give you over 150 hours to do it all.
Living restraints? That's the same point as time restraints.
Brain/psychological restraints? Doesn't stop me. It also infuriates me when people point as the concept of disability to make a point as if we aren't actual people capable of overcoming our limitations miss me with that.

You've probably put at least 300 hours into this game by this point, likely much more. Most people are not struggling after as much experience. If you, or anyone else still is, seek help. Don't demand the content gets changed to appease a small selection of people more interested in making excuses and not trying to improve so that they can go back to more or less AFKing through all the casual content. Because that's the actual entitled take.

[Enclavex]

First off, TC keeps bringing up this Arthar person? Yeah, no clue who that is. I found this thread organically and I'm sure I'm not the only one. TC needs pushback though because feedback like theirs in the past has gotten the game to the point it's currently at and we're only just starting to see things change and I do not want them to go back to as braindead as they were in Endwalker. The dungeons, trials and raids we have right now? Still aren't back to even pre-nerf ARR difficulty let alone Heavensward difficulty.

see entiled player here:
"you need to learn the mechs (you lazy f...) you need to stop being carried by other (you gifting f...), otherwise dont do dungeons, normal raids & ex trials, just AFK in limsa with the crafters only"
...
some players are just not as good, incapable to learn it (time restraints, living / distraction restraints, brain or psychological restraints, etc. etc.), not saying content has to remains boring AF, but mechanical difficulty is not the only solution

And thanks to Trusts they have that. Optional content doesn't need to cater to them as well to the detriment of the rest of the playerbase.

[VanillaWafer]

some players are just not as good, incapable to learn it (time restraints, living / distraction restraints, brain or psychological restraints, etc. etc.), not saying content has to remains boring AF, but mechanical difficulty is not the only solution

There are plenty of players with what you have described and manage to do content on their own time. Heck, I'm pretty sure that there are players with disabilities that manage to do EX and Savage content.

I say this as a first time mom with an 8-month old (at the time of writing this.), and I got through M1-4 just fine at my own pace.

Sure, you can argue that there are other people with more dire circumstances, fine. But it is up to you, the player, to manage around that in your life. That should not fall onto the game's responsibility all the time, even though it has a lot of accessibility options already implemented in. Doing an Expert Roulette, or a Normal Raid, while eating a meal should not even be a thing. You kinda are supposed to be aware, learn and finally answer to mechanics.

Don't want to do that? Like I said previously, there is always DoH/L to do. Make money selling raid food!

Listen, I've been playing this game since 2.0, and this whole difficulty thing isn't new at all. It keeps happening with every expansion and it's like we're not learning at all. It will get resolved as we go along and getting better gear.

The game caters a lot to casual players as it is. At the end of the day, Dawntrail is still new and we're promised a lot of neat optional content that caters to all walks of life, it seems.

Sit back and chill.

[DanielleFarlow]

Edit: For anyone wondering about the 75 pages of replies, when this thread was around page 11 the streamer Arthars covered it live, twitted about it and then uploaded it to YT. Later I found out that Mr.Happy also made a video and a link of this thread was shared on 4chan. What you are seeing are two popular streamers mobilizing their followers (accidentally or otherwise) to dogpile me and anyone siding with me (plus 4chan trolls for good measure).
While I understand that some of my opinions in this and my other posts in this thread can be interpreted as hyperbole I stand by them. My position is unchanged.

What a perfect way to disregard any critisism you got before the streamer coverage. No one mobilized anyone against you. It's just that your take falls flat from the first bulletpoint, and your attitude of entitlement in your replies is unhinged.
While you can take most of replies there with a grain of salt, you got replies from casual, midcore and hardcore players alike, and yet you can't read any of the opinions that are different from yours.
You now try to run away from the subject, making yourself a victim of "le 4chan trollges", while the issue at hand is that you went into new content, got bent, didn't try to understand it and went to complain on the forums. The solution is simple: open your eyes, wipe, try again, and, not even "get good", just try to better yourself. That's all there is to it, and I implore you to just try again and complete these raids, and if it falls flat, find another type of content you'll enjoy or just simply find a new game to enjoy.

[Deslyxic]

What a perfect way to disregard any critisism you got before the streamer coverage.

No, no. I clearly state that there were 11 pages before Arthars acted, if anything that reaffirms that first pages are the normal forum activity but after that is most likely the effect of raids. Arthars and the other rage baiters (yesterday I saw another video from a creator I don't know) did me a favor of invalidating the last 70 pages.

[TrowaParabellum]

No, no. I clearly state that there were 11 pages before Arthars acted, if anything that reaffirms that first pages are the normal forum activity but after that is most likely the effect of raids. Arthars and the other rage baiters (yesterday I saw another video from a creator I don't know) did me a favor of invalidating the last 70 pages.

Invalidating peoples honest opinions like that seems you are looking to find yourself an echo chamber and seeking to discredit people who feel differently towards the content. The difficulty is not that bad as I said. This comes from someone who doesn't do savage or extremes. I am a casual player and I enjoy the added difficulty. I know people playing with 300 ping daily who complete the content with no complaints. It's not rocket science, and even if you struggle most all content can still be completed with a team that can carry you. I know it's not hard cause a good warrior player can still almost solo things by themselves. If a warrior can practically solo the content you call into question then there is really no room for complaints. ( PS this warrior was one of the people with 300 ping ). The content is fine and if you struggle getting through MSQ there are always people willing to help. I get that social anxiety exist cause that's why I haven't done savage or extremes but it's not the developers responsibility to cater to my mental health.

[Capstone]

No, no. I clearly state that there were 11 pages before Arthars acted, if anything that reaffirms that first pages are the normal forum activity but after that is most likely the effect of raids. Arthars and the other rage baiters (yesterday I saw another video from a creator I don't know) did me a favor of invalidating the last 70 pages.

I posted on page 6; am I allowed to tell you that you have a bad take and you should actually try playing the game?