Request: I don't want to solo the main scenario

[Majidah]

Sounds like a rather extensive case of you not giving a damn about getting rank 10. I got my Sandy Flag, Windy Flag, and Bastok Flag all hanging up in my Mog House when PUP was my only 75.

No I didn't have someone drag me through it all.
No my LS wasn't burning them.

I simply said to myself, "I want those flags." Then I got it done. I scanned /sea I looked up anyone in my current rank and I began inviting them for runs. Hardly took any real effort in the end since most of the fights were pretty easy. A few of them were more difficult and actually required the PT to be awake but I had a blast going through those missions and felt awesome afterwards.

Just another example of someone who expects things to fall into his lap instead of putting in the effort. I never really had much problems in FFXI because I didn't wait for my goals to just happen. It is a vital skill every player should be taught. Having everything casual as hell and not forcing group from an early level is going to rob players of this critical knowledge. Hell most people I invite to party aren't even flagged or in Uldahn. I just go through the list of players in range and ask them in /tell if they would like some EXP.

People need to stop equating FFXI and hard work to the boogey man. Those who give a damn about finishing something will find a way in a timely manner. You were only beating yourself. the game had nothing to do with it.

Are you my doppelganger? This is exactly my experience on XI. I was a PUP 75 with all 3 nation flags.

I'd make my own parties, as I usually do on XI. And things get done in a timely manner.

I didn't even have a LS on XI. I was a truly solo player (by this I mean I grouped with strangers when things needed to be done, but I didn't rely on a LS to do me any favors).

People who can't get a group going are just lazy tbh. I'd get groups going for anything even on XIV before the server merge. I never was unable to do something because of lack of people here or there.

But anyway, I agree 100% with this guy.

And no, it has nothing to do with luck. You get things done if you actually try. On XI you'd just copy paste the invite and send it to everyone who wasn't in a party an within level range. Also macro'd a party shout macro and run up and down through all of jeuno.

[Andrien]

A post got a handful more likes then one of the options I presented. Still is far outnumbered by the combined posts which makes up the poll I total but that is neither here nor there.

You are so blind to your own concept of how an MMO has to work that even when proff is staring you in the face you present outside examples which can not be verified nor calculated. What other MMO's have causalized and received long term benefits? WoW is the only truly sucsessful example and WoW is such a statistical outlyer that it can't be used reasonably.

The posters in THIS forum for THIS game right HERE and NOW want a challenge. Want to actually feel like we're accomplishing something because we had to work for it.

Don't try to bait and switch, when you know you're wrong, and for your second statement I'll prove you wrong once more. WoW is not the only game. There is EVE Online, Lineage II both with over 8 years of services and new content, there is even newer games like Aion. Just three of many.

You want new content with challenge? And its gonna be for all audience. PC/PS3

[Zaaku]

Don't try to bait and switch, when you know you're wrong, and for your second statement I'll prove you wrong once more. WoW is not the only game. There is EVE Online, Lineage II both with over 8 years of services and new content, there is even newer games like Aion. Just three of many.

You want new content with challenge? And its gonna be for all audience. PC/PS3

Did you just say EVE had casual play. That game is more brutal and unforgiving then FFXI! lol

Lineage II as well. Nether of those examples show long term benefits towards simplifying everything. In fact it has shown just the opposite. IF you make the world in which the players... well plays in. He will stick around longer because his time invested meant something. Gave him purpose and more reason to keep playing.

[Majidah]

You want new content with challenge? And its gonna be for all audience. PC/PS3

Come again?

edit: GUYS. GUYS. THIS IS MY POST 999.

[LillithaFenimore]

Yes there are and I am counting YOU among them. You just said that anyone who wants a harder game is a jobless child who just doesn't understand the complexities of life. That we should bow to your "Voice of experience".

I myself do not fit that insult because I am gainfully employed, own my own house, and am a responsible adult. You still insult me by inferring that I am otherwise because I don't want to be able to beat the game by putting in only 2 hours a day.

Oh good, then you really shouldn't be offended by his/her post.

[Andrien]

Did you just say EVE had casual play. That game is more brutal and unforgiving then FFXI! lol

Lineage II as well. Nether of those examples show long term benefits towards simplifying everything. In fact it has shown just the opposite. IF you make the world in which the players... well plays in. He will stick around longer because his time invested meant something. Gave him purpose and more reason to keep playing.

If you're going to bait and switch than have a serious debate then don't bother arguing, especially when you deny irrefutable facts when they're presented to you.

[Andrien]

Come again?

edit: GUYS. GUYS. THIS IS MY POST 999.

in what way are those games related to FFXIV? please explain yourself.

[Majidah]

in what way are those games related to FFXIV? please explain yourself.

I can't believe I'm blowing my post number 1000 on this.

Anyway.

Those are two of the hardest new generation online RPGs aimed for PS3 players. The first one won game of the year award and the second is a strong candidate.

Implying the new generations, and PS3 audience, aren't open to challenging content is being oblivious to reality.

Not to mention the majority of FFXIV players are former FFXI players who did enjoy the challenging content of XI.
So instead of asking SE to take a step backwards like it did on FFXIV release, we should ask them to improve upon what they had built on.

The content on XI was great, making groups was hard for some people. So don't ask to burn something like that, instead ask for a design that enabled the easy formation of parties and encourages other players to help each other out even when they've cleared the dungeon (wouldn't you repeat a boss fight again if it yielded 2000 seals when done after having cleared it? or maybe for achievements?).

FFXIV should be different and more casual friendly than XI in a different manner, that being that you don't need to camp NMs for weeks, and that you don't need to set aside 3 hours just to EXP, or that it doesn't take 40 minutes to get anywhere, or even that if a few members leave the party you can still go on and you aren't forced to disband.

That's in any case molding to the new generations. Not killing the difficulty and strategy and designing a solo single player game with real people as background NPCs.

[Zaaku]

If you're going to bait and switch than have a serious debate then don't bother arguing, especially when you deny irrefutable facts when they're presented to you.

Here is my debate. There is no hard evidence that making MMO's easier provides more subscribers over the long term which you have claimed it does.

Also the numbers are still on my side. Quit trying to claim they don't matter when they come directly from other members of this forums. Saying their voice doesn't count is just being purposely dense.

[LillithaFenimore]

Are you my doppelganger? This is exactly my experience on XI. I was a PUP 75 with all 3 nation flags.

I'd make my own parties, as I usually do on XI. And things get done in a timely manner.

I didn't even have a LS on XI. I was a truly solo player (by this I mean I grouped with strangers when things needed to be done, but I didn't rely on a LS to do me any favors).

People who can't get a group going are just lazy tbh. I'd get groups going for anything even on XIV before the server merge. I never was unable to do something because of lack of people here or there.

But anyway, I agree 100% with this guy.

And no, it has nothing to do with luck. You get things done if you actually try. On XI you'd just copy paste the invite and send it to everyone who wasn't in a party an within level range. Also macro'd a party shout macro and run up and down through all of jeuno.

I made my own exp parties too. I'll tell you how long it took. On a good day 10 minutes, on a bad day, an hour. That was just the construction of it. That did not include traveling to camps...only to find they were taken...then have to add more time by checking online for other viable camps if the one you built your party around was taken. Oh and God help you if you had to move to another camp that really required another job...then that usually meant having to tell someone "I'm sorry, but your job is no longer viable for my party since we have to go to X camp." That sucked having to say something like that to someone, especially since they may have been lfp as long as an hour.

And again, I would make my own parties too in order to get things done, but again, luck factors in. And time you were own, and the day, because I know many LS's would run end game stuff, or go farming for this that and the other for their end game. So you can't tell me that it took only a few minutes to gather man power to go to Ugly Temple to deal with friggen tonberries from hell to get pop item to pop that stoopid Pawberry then go pop Mr. Man and deal with him >.>; to get the drop. And that pop item according to wiki could take "■Temple of Uggalepih (K-8) - ??? can take 15 minutes to 2 hours to spawn. " Yeah...guess who got the long spawn time.... >.>;

Anywho again my point is...people who played XI weren't lazy >.>; and it did involve LUCK a lot of times >.>;