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  1. #4761
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    Its like what 300 people not playing healers? That's like a drop in the ocean. It's not even going to affect queue times for the roulettes or raids. People want quick que's they will heal themselves. That's just how it is. Nothing is going to happen.
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  2. #4762
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    Etherea Stormaire
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ixon View Post
    I think you have it a little backwards. Healer DPS was NOT apart of the devs fight design till ShB. Healers were not really "required" to DPS in ARR, HW, or SB and only became a widely accepted thing in HW because the DPS checks were so tight in Gordias. You can see this because they HEAVELY streamlined healer DPS from ShB onward, when they started designing fights with Healer DPS in mind. So I find it a little contradictive when people say they want to go back to ARR/HW/SB Healer design, when Healers weren't designed to DPS in the first place. You can say you preferred that style of DPS, but you can't say it was the devs design when we as the community pushed for it to be easily acceptable as it became the new norm.

    Yoshi-P himself even stated in the media tour before Stormblood: "First of all, we do not expect healers to contribute to DPS. However we know a lot of the cutting edge players enjoy this aspect about the job and that those progressing in the raids early on use it help clear the fights. We decided to make it so that the idea was more approachable and less punishing so that if a player wants to try it, they aren’t sacrificing all of their healing capabilities to do so like they were with the old Cleric Stance. We didn’t like seeing healers doing entire dungeons in Cleric Stance, especially if they forget to switch back and heal!

    That being said, and I want you to really reinforce this to your viewers, I firmly believe it shouldn’t be mandatory and we do NOT have the expectation of them to DPS."
    the unfortunate part is that apparently the devs decided that ALSO meant we werent expected to heal much either. that is where we currently sit.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

  3. #4763
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    SargeTheSeagull's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaineIV View Post
    Its like what 300 people not playing healers? That's like a drop in the ocean. It's not even going to affect queue times for the roulettes or raids. People want quick que's they will heal themselves. That's just how it is. Nothing is going to happen.
    Yet another person who doesn't read. Always fun.
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  4. #4764
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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker44 View Post
    There's quite a few who have decided they can't stand that there's even one single positive thread about healing on the forums, and have felt the need to invade it and make passive-aggressive and snarky comments about people enjoying healing. I'd definitely see that as griefing.
    There's quite a few who have decided they can't stand that there's even one single negative thread about healing on the forums, and have felt the need to invade it and make passive-aggressive and snarky comments about people concerned about the state of healing. I'd definitely see that as griefing.
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  5. #4765
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    I find it telling that the anti-strike posts always say things like "stop whining" and "this is hurting others in the game," but none - none - of them address our main concerns with the healing role:
    1. Healers spend more time DPSing than healing at all content levels, verifiable from data parses.
    2. Our DPS "rotations" primarily consist of a DoT and a single direct-damage ability spammed ad nauseum.
    3. The game meta has evolved around this general devaluation of the healer role, evidenced by things like wall-to-wall pulls being expected and tank self-sustain growing to ridiculous proportions.
    4. There being no encounters in the game that highlight/prioritize the healing role.

    It's fine to be critical, but you gotta come with better arguments than "suck it up so everyone else can have fun."
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  6. #4766
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    Also why are yall starting the strike on probably the most LEAST effective date which is the launch date.. Shouldn't the strike happen like a week or 2 weeks ago when it actually matters.
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  7. #4767
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amity_Roji View Post
    I find it telling that the anti-strike posts always say things like "stop whining" and "this is hurting others in the game," but none - none - of them address our main concerns with the healing role:
    1. Healers spend more time DPSing than healing at all content levels, verifiable from data parses.
    2. Our DPS "rotations" primarily consist of a DoT and a single direct-damage ability spammed ad nauseum.
    3. The game meta has evolved around this general devaluation of the healer role, evidenced by things like wall-to-wall pulls being expected and tank self-sustain growing to ridiculous proportions.
    4. There being no encounters in the game that highlight/prioritize the healing role.

    It's fine to be critical, but you gotta come with better arguments than "suck it up so everyone else can have fun."
    Yep, even on the worst ultimate clears, you can check the healer and they are still using 70%+ of their GCDs on damage.
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  8. #4768
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    Quote Originally Posted by AlaineIV View Post
    Also why are yall starting the strike on probably the most LEAST effective date which is the launch date.. Shouldn't the strike happen like a week or 2 weeks ago when it actually matters.
    They decided that there are probably still people clearing raids in EW so they wanted to give them some time before the strike officially starts.
    If I understood it correctly.
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  9. #4769
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amity_Roji View Post
    I find it telling that the anti-strike posts always say things like "stop whining" and "this is hurting others in the game," but none - none - of them address our main concerns with the healing role:
    1. Healers spend more time DPSing than healing at all content levels, verifiable from data parses.
    2. Our DPS "rotations" primarily consist of a DoT and a single direct-damage ability spammed ad nauseum.
    3. The game meta has evolved around this general devaluation of the healer role, evidenced by things like wall-to-wall pulls being expected and tank self-sustain growing to ridiculous proportions.
    4. There being no encounters in the game that highlight/prioritize the healing role.

    It's fine to be critical, but you gotta come with better arguments than "suck it up so everyone else can have fun."
    If you are using FFLOGs as a bar for any form of data it is used by maybe less than 15% of the entire game population. It may be accurate to those who use it, but it's not accurate as a whole. It's why the Developers don't use FFLOGs or any other form of third party data gathering. They use their own metrics.
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  10. #4770
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    Ellisar Loravalur
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    MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM FFXIV community is being weird again!!!
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