#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Striker44]

As a samurai you don’t press a single button more than 20% of the time in savage

We can press broil up to 80% of the time

It isn’t remotely comparable

And BRD isn’t comparable either because BRD has strong buffs and still has an interesting rotation

I agree it's not remotely comparable, but I also don't expect it to be. If I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll...play DPS...I don't play a healer to go through dps rotations; I play a healer to...well...heal...DPS is just filler for me when I heal, so it just being a dot and a spell (either single-target or AoE) is fine by me.

So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun.

Or play other jobs that they find more fun, and let those who enjoy current healer design be the healers. My opposition to the "strike" is their focus on making this all about themselves and trying to fundamentally change the role for other people who are enjoying it when they could just simply switch to something else they find more fun.

Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

Blizzard looked at the data and responded appropriately. Shadowlands was an absolute disaster of an xpac that saw their population plummet. Remember the whole "WoW exodus"? EW, meanwhile, had the highest active playerbase to date for FFXIV at every point along the way (even after the "WoW exodus" subsided). SE is also listening to feedback - just feedback from everyone through the myriad data gathering they do rather than selectively listening to the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. Blizzard had a problem they needed to solve. SE has a game still on an upward trajectory.

That’s our exact point where are you “busy keeping the party alive”, the tank is immortal in casual content

Not when you play random roulettes with random, typical players. If you play with people who are sufficiently expert in skill at the game, then yes, casual content will be a cakewalk no matter what you bring, but play typical runs with typical players, and healers typically will need to do quite a bit of active healing to keep the party alive. That's the exact point that seems to be missed and leads to frustration.

I would like to see someone try to do a dungeon with a DRK and 3 DPS (without RDM for Vercure) to show that Tanks aren't obsolete, and it's not that WAR or PLD can double as a healer.

I would like to see a group of random, average players do this. There is no doubt in my mind a group of veteran streamers who have min-maxed the heck out of the game could take a party of anything and clear a dungeon. That would also be completely meaningless for the typical player. When random players of moderate skill can consistently pull off something like what you suggest, then I'd start arguing there's an issue.

[Aword3213]

Blizzard looked at the data and responded appropriately. Shadowlands was an absolute disaster of an xpac that saw their population plummet. Remember the whole "WoW exodus"? EW, meanwhile, had the highest active playerbase to date for FFXIV at every point along the way (even after the "WoW exodus" subsided). SE is also listening to feedback - just feedback from everyone through the myriad data gathering they do rather than selectively listening to the minuscule few of us that post on the forums. Blizzard had a problem they needed to solve. SE has a game still on an upward trajectory.

Go on then, tell people who made graphical update posts, which are prevalent on first page at this section of the forum, that their complaints are subjective opinions and thus don't matter because they aren't shared by the silent majority in game

What's stopping you? or are you doing this because it's convenient for you to pull out majority card yet again

[ty_taurus]

I agree it's not remotely comparable, but I also don't expect it to be. If I want an involved DPS rotation, I'll...play DPS...I don't play a healer to go through dps rotations; I play a healer to...well...heal...DPS is just filler for me when I heal, so it just being a dot and a spell (either single-target or AoE) is fine by me.

Or play other jobs that they find more fun, and let those who enjoy current healer design be the healers. My opposition to the "strike" is their focus on making this all about themselves and trying to fundamentally change the role for other people who are enjoying it when they could just simply switch to something else they find more fun.

What job is there for me who wants a modest set of DPS actions and wants to heal as a magic job? Because what I've been parroting over and over is I would like healers to have a range of depth, from one more simple to one more complex, that way as many people as possible have something that appeals to them rather than all 4 largely appealing to the same subset of people.

FFXIV may say it wants to be inclusive for all players, but it has been very exclusive for players like me and others who have fueled this thread. It has actively pushed me away from the game even when there was a job that was exactly what I was looking for, and now added a healer who's identity is associated with the playstyle I want even when it fails to deliver upon that.

[Galvuu]

Also I want to make a note here. Like players who main bard has it worse imo. Because their personal dps is almost non-existent compared to other dps roles but I seen pretty high end bard players (few but still there). They play bard because they enjoy the job. Xeno can survive without healers is because he's know the ins/out of a warrior, just like I know the ins/out of a samurai. So yeah, I still don't know what's up. When SE nerfed samurai dps to be lower than a ninja in Endwalker, it was rough but there was no need to go on a strike because it was still fun to play even if I was just spamming midare setsugekka + Kaeshi: setsugekka which is equivalent of spamming glare/dosis/malefic/broil etc etc.

Samurai is in all the fastest clears of all Anabaseios Savage floors. Samurai are tied for highest adps job in EW (tied with BLM), and I believe they also come ahead of Ninja in rdps.
If you're playing your Samurai by pressing mostly 2 buttons, I don't know what you're doing.

[SoloD007]

Samurai is in all the fastest clears of all Anabaseios Savage floors. Samurai are tied for highest adps job in EW (tied with BLM), and I believe they also come ahead of Ninja in rdps.
If you're playing your Samurai by pressing mostly 2 buttons, I don't know what you're doing.

I was giving an example of spamming a skill. Just like healers don't just spam glare/dosis/broil/malefic. But midare setsugekka is spammed more times than all the other skills. In terms of having a high rdps than ninja sure this was correct but I do remember looking through the logs and there was even a chart someone made in a EW patch (I can't remember which patch) but ninja was a tad higher than a samurai (This was data that was collectively pulled from all logs that was uploaded).

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Also I want to make a note here. Like players who main bard has it worse imo. Because their personal dps is almost non-existent compared to other dps roles but I seen pretty high end bard players (few but still there). They play bard because they enjoy the job. Xeno can survive without healers is because he's know the ins/out of a warrior, just like I know the ins/out of a samurai. So yeah, I still don't know what's up. When SE nerfed samurai dps to be lower than a ninja in Endwalker, it was rough but there was no need to go on a strike because it was still fun to play even if I was just spamming midare setsugekka + Kaeshi: setsugekka which is equivalent of spamming glare/dosis/malefic/broil etc etc.

Let me know how do you "spam" Midare & Kaeshi as frequent as spamming Glaroilficosis. Tell me about this super sikkrit technique to spam your Midare 22 times in a minute.

[SoloD007]

Let me know how do you "spam" Midare & Kaeshi as frequent as spamming Glaroilficosis. Tell me about this super sikkrit technique to spam your Midare 22 times in a minute.

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...? Lol.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Yo dude, no need to get sarcastic. I can smell the salt all the way from Turliyollal lol. Sure midare spam is much less than the healers but I spam glare/malefic/broil/dosis when I play healers too and it's fine because I'm more concerned/busy of keeping the party alive than which color is my parse is going to be to after the clear. But hey you do you, living that salt life can be fun I guess...?

Dw about that. We were perpetually given white robes because they're made of salt. It's given

Jokes aside, comparing "midare spam" to "glaroilficosis spam" just falls flat considering you just... don't... "spam midare". In fact you even press your Hissatsu: Shinten more than anything in your hotbar except perhaps Kasha. Say if you really do spam Midare, how many GCDs you need to spend before you can execute Midare? 8 GCDs. That's 9 GCDs split into 3 Kashas, 5 other combo'd buttons and 1 Iaijutsu. Ignoring two other Iaijutsus grants you 2.5(?) Midares per minute. Now compare that to Glaroilficosis - 22 casts of them with only 2 reserved for DoT refresh. Heals? What heals are we throwing? Too many normal contents can be healed by just keeping Assize on cooldown, letting Eos spams embrace, Earthly Star on cd, & SGE for simply existing, not including the amount of collective HPS the non-healers can put out. Zero GCD heals are achievable everywhere outside early progs, ults, & perhaps up to regular 3rd/4th floor of savages - what do you think we do when all of these aren't needed? More Glaroilficosis, 70%-90% of times. No other jobs in this game has this spread of button uses so lopsided to one.single.button.

Don't you see now how hard it was to take your words seriously with that comparison?

[Aravell]

If the devs want to keep healing requirements low for casuals that’s fine, but we need more DPS buttons like we had before ShB.

If the devs want to increase healing requirements so we actually have to use GCD heals so we feel like healers, awesome.

But refusing to do either of these just won’t do.

Oh, the devs definitely did both. But they did it in the worst, most spiteful manner possible.

We ask for more damage buttons to press? They give us extra buttons to press, but on a 120s CD, and not on the GCD so it does absolutely nothing to break up filler nuke spam.

We ask for higher healing requirements? They give us higher damage fights, but every other role also gets to heal and mitigate so we heal just about as much as we already do (or even less in casual content).

[SargeTheSeagull]

Sure, having fun in a job you play is a goal but having fun in a job also falls on the player themselves. You can't put 100% of responsibility on devs. I doubt the devs wake up everyday and think "hmmm... how can I screw with all the healer mains in the game". Like come on this isn't world of warcraft. So I think people who are truly unhappy with healer job should change their mindset instead and find ways to make healer job that you play more fun. Because there are many other healer mains that is still having fun with their healer jobs even with these new changes.

Ironically Blizzard has been doing an outstanding job listening to and acting upon feedback the last two years.

And yes, I can put 100% of the responsibility on the devs. Idk about you but I don’t design or program FFXIV.