The Chimera, the Monk and the Guard

[BadOmen]

I don't think its just a copy what you see video....
People "NEED" the fastest win because they know they'll have to spam this dungeon hundreds of times....
If you know you have to do something 200 times... even shaving 30 seconds per run is almost 2 hours of your live saved....

the thing dear isnt like that, example in ifrit... when they released Ifrit, at least on my server, they started bringing tank, conjurer, lnc... as main stup, after long after when people started to test out other methods found out archer was better than lnc.... and at this time, at least on my case, i had 4 LS doing ifrit, on all them i asked what about bring a thm? i had only pug and thm at that time, everyone laughed at me and said, "thm is worthless for this fight, no one brings that job."

Then long time after, when most of people had their weapons and started tryin out stuff they considered Taboo cause no one was doing.... found out that bring thm was actually way better than bringing lancer or archer....

So im sorry to dissagree with yah but doubt you be right about it.

Edit; by the way, dont you find it funny nowdays everyone want to do Ifrit Fight with a bunch of BLMs instead melees or archers?, a job that back then (when there was no yet BLM but thm and was easier to run while casting) was considered a worthless class for that fight cause back then everyone was doing it only lnc as damage dealer cause they saw it on a video?.

[Sigmakan]

Edit; by the way, dont you find it funny nowdays everyone want to do Ifrit Fight with a bunch of BLMs instead melees or archers?, a job that back then (when there was no yet BLM but thm and was easier to run while casting) was considered a worthless class for that fight cause back then everyone was doing it only lnc as damage dealer cause they saw it on a video?.

Um . . . thats mostly due to the major battle changes that took place in 1.20.

[BadOmen]

Um . . . thats mostly due to the major battle changes that took place in 1.20.

No it isnt, people started find out thm was better before they released blm or made mayor changes to thm.

[Sigmakan]

No it isnt, people started find out thm was better before they released blm or made mayor changes to thm.

Out of curiosity what spells were the THMs using for their damage?

[Madruk]

the thing dear isnt like that, example in ifrit... when they released Ifrit, at least on my server, they started bringing tank, conjurer, lnc... as main stup, after long after when people started to test out other methods found out archer was better than lnc.... and at this time, at least on my case, i had 4 LS doing ifrit, on all them i asked what about bring a thm? i had only pug and thm at that time, everyone laughed at me and said, "thm is worthless for this fight, no one brings that job."

Then long time after, when most of people had their weapons and started tryin out stuff they considered Taboo cause no one was doing.... found out that bring thm was actually way better than bringing lancer or archer....

So im sorry to dissagree with yah but doubt you be right about it.

Edit; by the way, dont you find it funny nowdays everyone want to do Ifrit Fight with a bunch of BLMs instead melees or archers?, a job that back then (when there was no yet BLM but thm and was easier to run while casting) was considered a worthless class for that fight cause back then everyone was doing it only lnc as damage dealer cause they saw it on a video?.

You're talking about thm in two different forms, during 1.19 and after 1.20, when the classes were dramatically different. That's why people started bringing thm/blms....

[BadOmen]

You're talking about thm in two different forms, during 1.19 and after 1.20, when the classes were dramatically different. That's why people started bringing thm/blms....

There wasnt blms yet even then, and thm still had same spells as when they released ifrit for first time, so dont know what changes you talkin about, thm was the same since they released ifrit up till the time people started bringing it out to ifrit way months after. And yes there was patches in betwen that time but thm didnt changed much in those.

[Sigmakan]

There wasnt blms yet even then, and thm still had same spells as when they released ifrit for first time, so dont know what changes you talkin about, thm was the same since they released ifrit up till the time people started bringing it out to ifrit way months after. And yes there was patches in betwen that time but thm didnt changed much in those.

THM didnt change much? You serious? 1.20 completely changed everything (for all classes). 1.19 THM is way different than 1.20 THM. 1.19 THM had DoTs and crappy nukes. 1.20+ THM has Thunder>Thundara

The introduction of combos in 1.20 also led to a learning curve for melees, especially in the ifrit fight, as such THM became the 'easy' class to go with.

I really think you're forgetting about the impact 1.20 had. Here are the patch notes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-1.20-Notes

[BadOmen]

THM didnt change much? You serious? 1.20 completely changed everything (for all classes). 1.19 THM is way different than 1.20 THM. 1.19 THM had DoTs and crappy nukes. 1.20+ THM has Thunder>Thundara

The introduction of combos in 1.20 also led to a learning curve for melees, especially in the ifrit fight, as such THM became the 'easy' class to go with.

I really think you're forgetting about the impact 1.20 had. Here are the patch notes: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-1.20-Notes

Correct me if im wrong.... but Ifrit Fight got introduced into patch 1.19..... and i been teellin yah alot of times people started fighting Ifrit with THM prior to 1.20.... so im not sure what changes you are talkin about in betwen.

And yes you right, THM isnt same in 1.19 than 1.20 i even told yah before thats right.... but i dont get how your statements take place on what im tellin yah when i told you already im talkin to prior 1.20

EDIT; by the way, those changes 1.19a and 1.19b didnt made big changes on thm.

[Sigmakan]

Correct me if im wrong.... but Ifrit Fight got introduced into patch 1.19..... and i been teellin yah alot of times people started fighting Ifrit with THM prior to 1.20.... so im not sure what changes you are talkin about in betwen.

And yes you right, THM isnt same in 1.19 than 1.20 i even told yah before thats right.... but i dont get how your statements take place on what im tellin yah when i told you already im talkin to prior 1.20

(Sorry for this off-topic derailment)

I suppose I'm curious how THM worked out on Ifrit in 1.19. I can admit I tried it a few times was quite disappointed in the results so never really tried it again till 1.20. MP pool was lower then if I'm not mistaken and the nukes really didnt pack a punch. Which spells were used? Aero and choke were decent.

But another point is that you stated THM didnt change much from 1.19 to 1.20; this couldnt be further from the truth. There were quite substantial changes to THM in that patch, their entire spell/ability list was overhauled.

[ShadowCadja]

(Sorry for this off-topic derailment)

I suppose I'm curious how THM worked out on Ifrit in 1.19. I can admit I tried it a few times was quite disappointed in the results so never really tried it again till 1.20. MP pool was lower then if I'm not mistaken and the nukes really didnt pack a punch. Which spells were used? Aero and choke were decent.

But another point is that you stated THM didnt change much from 1.19 to 1.20; this couldnt be further from the truth. There were quite substantial changes to THM in that patch, their entire spell/ability list was overhauled.

He is obviously confusing it, THM sucked badly, no matter what, on Ifrit before 1.20, Banish/Scourge did nearly no damage and let's not talk about DoTs nearly doing nothing lol