#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[CerusSerenade]

Except in this case Falkyron: You are ALWAYS better off taking a Red Player than a Green one. Where is the scenario where you want the healer but no tank? Or a healer and tank but no DPS? You're telling me that the situation is exceptionally liimited and thus we're all bitching about a technicality...but there is no correlary to the other jobs. If 100% of the time it's good to take a Blue player and 100% of the time it's good to take a Red player and 95% of the time it's good to take a green player there's STILL a problem.

Gonna post this again. Tanks suffer from the same "unnecessary" existence as healers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4O4JGCC0g4

It's a leveling dungeon. It's not an extreme, it's not savage, it's not a criterion dungeon, it's the peak of casual content. You're over-fixating.

[Ramiee]

Big angry bald man: I understand why people are upset.

Friendly happy guy: That’s the dumbest f-being thing.


This is why Xeno has 1000 times more respect from me than Happy does. And not because of this either. It’s just funny how you can see the type of people creators are through their personas.

I dont like Xeno but I will give it to him that nowadays he seems far more passionate then the game then Mr Happy is, I get retired vibes from him now. I do like that Baldy will talk smack about the game unlike the majority of the content creators and thats probably the main good thing I think about him.

[CerusSerenade]

I dont like Xeno but I will give it to him that nowadays he seems far more passionate then the game then Mr Happy is, I get retired vibes from him now. I do like that Baldy will talk smack about the game unlike the majority of the content creators and thats probably the main good thing I think about him.

Xeno decided to call Covid an "excuse" for why there was only one Ultimate during Shadowbringers so as far as I'm concerned he's worse. I've seen his general content and he's just obnoxious overblown airbag of a person.

[Illydth]

Skill differences in MMO's have frequently and consistently made entirely player's worth of difference if not more. We see it all the time in day 1 Alliance raids. The Ultimate player vs the casual player.

You claim it shouldn't, but the only way that works is if you actively try to keep out or punish low skill players to rectify the sheer difference in performance.

Are you actually arguing that an entire role SHOULD be made obsolete simply because there are skilled players in the group? Understand your statement: Roles are supposed to have clear identities...your argument is that the healing role should NOT have a clear identity from the DPS role or Tank role assuming that the players in that role have enough skill?

If that's so, were is my threat acquisition button or my 100% Equivalent Red DPS? Are you telling me that I'm not doing the same damage a rogue is doign because i'm not pressing my buttons fast enough?

[CerusSerenade]

Are you actually arguing that an entire role SHOULD be made obsolete simply because there are skilled players in the group? Understand your statement: Roles are supposed to have clear identities...your argument is that the healing role should NOT have a clear identity from the DPS role or Tank role assuming that the players in that role have enough skill?

If that's so, were is my threat acquisition button or my 100% Equivalent Red DPS? Are you telling me that I'm not doing the same damage a rogue is doign because i'm not pressing my buttons fast enough?

Where did I say that I think roles SHOULD be obsolete? I said: "Skill differences in MMO's have frequently and consistently made entirely player's worth of difference if not more. We see it all the time in day 1 Alliance raids. The Ultimate player vs the casual player."

If your irate state of mind is hampering your ability to read or discuss this honestly perhaps you should go outside for a while.

[Illydth]

Gonna post this again. Tanks suffer from the same "unnecessary" existence as healers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4O4JGCC0g4

It's a leveling dungeon. It's not an extreme, it's not savage, it's not a criterion dungeon, it's the peak of casual content. You're over-fixating.

Re-read my posts, it's not about if it's POSSIBLE to do content without a certain class...of course it's POSSIBLE. It's about what is the best way to do content. There are 2 pillars: Success Rate and Efficiency. Tanks and DPS classes contribute to both Success Rate and Efficiency while healer classes do not contribute to Efficiency, only success rate...thus as content ease increases need for one role in the game decreases while that is not the same for other roles. THat's a design problem.

[aiqa]

Skill differences in MMO's have frequently and consistently made entirely player's worth of difference if not more. We see it all the time in day 1 Alliance raids. The Ultimate player vs the casual player.

You claim it shouldn't, but the only way that works is if you actively try to keep out or punish low skill players to rectify the sheer difference in performance.

That is why an effective trinity system need pretty extreme differences in performance in the unique qualities of roles. So healers needs to do most heals by far, a tank needs to mitigate most damage by far, and a dps needs to do most damage by far. If the heals from healers do 4 times more HPS on a tank then the tank's selfheals, even in the situation that works best for tank selfheals, there is a lot of room to lower difficulty while still requiring all roles for do the content optimally.

And dungeons have a rather clever dynamic difficulty. The pulls are the part that requires most healing and mitigation. If a few of the most casual healers can't keep a tank alive during the biggest pulls... well nobody is forcing you to do double pulls.

[Illydth]

Where did I say that I think roles SHOULD be obsolete? I said: "Skill differences in MMO's have frequently and consistently made entirely player's worth of difference if not more. We see it all the time in day 1 Alliance raids. The Ultimate player vs the casual player."

If your irate state of mind is hampering your ability to read or discuss this honestly perhaps you should go outside for a while.

If you aren't arguing that classes SHOULD be obsolete, what was your response intended for? The post you jumped in on stated "I also don't think skillful play should render one of your party members obsolete anyway, that's just not a healthy party dynamic." - and you choose to post a contrairian response.

I don't thikn i'm deluded in assuming your post is in disagreement with that statement since you posted in disagreement with that statement. How else would you like this thread to take your response to "I don't think skillful play should render one of your party members obsolete?"

Or are you going to nit-pick the words "party member" instead of "class" or "role"?

[OliviaLugria]

My favorite take away from xeno's vid was that 1T3D was easily doable for normal players.

I hope to see a mass of pfs for 1T3D so we can all benefit from faster runs and less ques.

[GangWeed]

Regardless of what freecure enjoyers will say, one button rotations are stupid as hell and all the healers need some sort of rework to their dps kits. 5 dot scholar was peak healer design