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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    to be fair, they got it posted to gamer news sites got it talked about by streamers the fact of it is create negative publicity on the devs and 14s healer designs is more effective than just current community. doesnt show now but if it keeps spreading like that, it will more effective even if only 5 healers in the game actrually strike.


    This is why i hate groups and society in general thinking a large number means anything but it doesnt, what matters is finding a weak point striking it quick and effectively allowing the tools to spread... and Consinder how se put not one but 2 mounts that belong in a raid drop I think they will start to care more even if the majoirty of the community doesnt care, because harming their reputation by allowing it to spread is a usefull tool.

    Numbers mean nothing a single person can destory an army if they are smart enough.


    Humans believe that banding together and going by majority means anything but it doesnt matter how many humans are within a village if their water supply is poisoned by a single inviduale same logic applys here it doesnt matter if a million or two million dont care or laugh about it, creating a negative rep towards the devs on healer design can be effective
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    Last edited by Graveyardprincess; 06-23-2024 at 12:13 PM.

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    Funny enough, the wouldn't need to do a whole lot to fix healers.

    Bozja and Eureka are littered with abilities that have extensive testing in their effects and combinations. As the code already exists in game, it wouldn't take much, if anything, to port them to regular abilities for use by various classes. No need to create from whole cloth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
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    you know what i find absolutely hilarious with the statement they made.

    Is, all the things that have been changed in game from their original beginning state. their changes originated, on the forums.
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    You do know that was ironic right
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    Coming from a healer who doesn't agree with the strike, because:
    1. I've seen too many people advocating for changes (or full-on reworks) to how other jobs/roles play
    And?

    Do you know what a power-creep is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    You don't know there's power creep in DT. Yoshida has specifically, numerous times, about EW being "too safe" and how the encounter design team has been told not to be afraid of allowing failure states.

    Attitude like yours is exactly why the movement is getting so much unneeded pushback. It's one thing to say "I want to have fun." That generates empathy and understanding. It's entirely different to say "I want to have fun, but I believe the only way for me to have fun is for all of you to not have fun!" It's selfish and stupid.

    Tanks having too many self-sustain tools, or similar "issues" (which I don't even see as issues) can be entirely corrected by encounter design. Focus your energy on providing feedback for your own role and job, not trying to tamper with other people's enjoyment. Healers can be improved without gimping other people.
    “For all of you to not have fun”

    What you mean exactly what the tanks have been doing to the healer role since like ShB, we don’t like being the queue fillers either

    Tank sustain is physically too high there is no way to balance bloodwhetting, it just isn’t possible, there are times when nerfs have to be considered, like how SCH took a nerf in 6.1

    Trying to buff everything else to stealth nerf tank problems creates 80000 other failure points
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    Attitude like yours is exactly why the movement is getting so much unneeded pushback. It's one thing to say "I want to have fun." That generates empathy and understanding. It's entirely different to say "I want to have fun, but I believe the only way for me to have fun is for all of you to not have fun!" It's selfish and stupid.
    I don't see bad attitude in their post, while you, on the other hand...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willemdarke View Post
    Coming from a healer who doesn't agree with the strike, because:
    1. I've seen too many people advocating for changes (or full-on reworks) to how other jobs/roles play
    2. The timing is bad, considering we don't know encounter design will be in DT,

    I still have to point out that providing feedback for the jobs you play, or switching jobs is completely normal and not griefing whatsoever, and if that's all the movement is about, then I would say I support it. Even though I'm generally happy with healing (though Dia procing Glare 4 dose sound very satisfying, not gonna lie).
    We are doing It now because we have lost faith in the developers empty promises they have given us for 3 expansions now

    I watched two of my favourite jobs get ripped to shreds in ShB because (and I quote) “you’ll be healing so much you’ll barely have time to DPS” then edens gate proceeded to be the easier tier we have ever had to heal. Then it was “the new foundation for healers in ShB will be really well developed in EW” and it proceeded to get worse

    After have less than zero faith in tje promises of the devs at this point and seeing how phoned in the DT jobs are only cemented that. I’ve spent enough time taking a “wait and see and provide feedback” approach
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    Last edited by Supersnow845; 06-23-2024 at 01:44 PM.
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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