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  1. #3391
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    Alfarini Sintasmus
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dragoon Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine View Post
    You are completely missing the point.
    Heal is in the name healer. It's what you do, Deal with it. Anyways, my time is valuable. I've wasted enough time here.
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  2. #3392
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    I'm getting tired reading from these players regurgitating the same narrative of "play a dps if you wanna dps". What's so hard to understand that all we are asking is something to keep us entertained when no healing is needed at any given moment. We are paying customers too. Don't we get a say to this?

    If y'all can't understand that, it's perfectly fine but do not rob us of the opportunity to express our dissatisfaction for being ignored for 2 expansions.
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    Last edited by rawker; 06-19-2024 at 12:30 AM.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE


    - Seraphism is BAD.
    - Give us back Shadowflare and make Deployment/Emergency Tactics affect Biolysis
    - Give us back Rouse
    - Make pet management rewarding.

  3. #3393
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    Nightshade878's Avatar
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    X'lyhhia Wiloh
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    Malboro
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    White Mage Lv 55
    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I don't want to come across in a hostile manner but I honestly don't see what this strike hopes to achieve.
    If people participating are still going to play healer doesn't that defeat the point?
    I get that it won't be with duty finder, but at the end of the day the role is still being played.
    Wouldn't the impact be greater if people abstained completely from the role?

    I also don't see disrupting gameplay as a viable option either.
    If one queues into a duty and refuses to do damage whatsoever, that's something that can be reported.

    If a tank were to not mitigate whatsoever, the same would apply to them as well.
    You could try to argue with the GMs about it, but it would still be a violation.

    Speaking from my own experience with healing, I don't see where people come from about them only spamming their attack move.

    Things can go south very quickly, and typically as a healer I am healing regularly because the party fails mechanics or dies. I am able to attack here and there, yes, but it seems like the issue is being overblown. Outside of healing, I pay attention to tank busters and give extra mitigation such as aquaveil or I shield them if I'm playing sage. There is more to the role that I can be doing than restoring everyone's HP and trying to keep everyone alive.

    Conversely, I've also had experiences as a tank where I've had to solo a boss that was near death in order to ensure the clear, rather than starting over.
    I can see why it might make the healers feel as though they are not needed, but the point remains that healers ensure that the rest of the party are alive and well, as the role of healer is that of support.

    That doesn't mean that I am against the message, that having more damaging skills would be fun because I agree, especially as someone who likes sage.

    It seems like the main greivance is with warrior's skill bloodwhetting, as it is a pretty powerful mitigation tool that can heal the warrior to full very quickly. The other tanks, while they might also have self-sustain, can not compare to something like that.

    Maybe if you listened to what healer mains had to say more and complained less youd understand what we hope to achieve.

    Not only that, but if they actually punished healers for not doing damage when our role is to HEAL, it would 100% prove our point that the devs dont care about healing/healers and see us mainly as an off-brand DPS knockoff.
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  4. #3394
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    CaptainLagbeard's Avatar
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    Rhaya Jakkya
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    Odin
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Tanks sustain isn't really the core issue... It's the whole gameplay of spamming one button.

    If they removed all sustain from all tanks and buffed up damage from enemies, even then it would still be just one button spam but instead of spamming Glare it'd be spamming Cure.

    Some other kinds of utility, and more attacks is what would fix the problem. Heck, even something as simple as an actual positive way to engage with the Job Gauge would be a huge help... I have said it multiple times but as a WHM, I have to overheal with Lilies in order to use Afflatus Misery, which they had to buff several times in the past in order for it to not be a DPS loss compared to just spamming Glare. If you could actually spend the Lilies to do something other than waste them to get the Afflatus Misery, that'd be nice.

    Sage kind of has a similar issue, they need to waste Druochole on a regular basis to regain MP to keep spamming more Dosis.
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  5. #3395
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    Bibine_Bine's Avatar
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    Bibine Bine
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baxcel View Post
    if a Tank Sprints off an leaves their healer they shouldn't survive long..
    Sprint is mitigation. Use Sprint. If you're a healer and you can't just simply press Sprint when the tank does then that's just a skill issue.
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  6. #3396
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    Bibine Bine
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by alfarini View Post
    Heal is in the name healer. It's what you do, Deal with it. Anyways, my time is valuable. I've wasted enough time here.
    You said healers do matter, and I counter with this:
    A group cleared The Omega Protocol. With no healers. No healers. One of the hardest pieces of content in the game, and they didn't need a healer. Healers do not matter anymore.
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  7. #3397
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    BunnyQueen's Avatar
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    Flora Kosaki
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    Golem
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I don't want to come across in a hostile manner but I honestly don't see what this strike hopes to achieve.
    If people participating are still going to play healer doesn't that defeat the point?
    I get that it won't be with duty finder, but at the end of the day the role is still being played.
    Wouldn't the impact be greater if people abstained completely from the role?

    I also don't see disrupting gameplay as a viable option either.
    If one queues into a duty and refuses to do damage whatsoever, that's something that can be reported.

    If a tank were to not mitigate whatsoever, the same would apply to them as well.
    You could try to argue with the GMs about it, but it would still be a violation.

    Speaking from my own experience with healing, I don't see where people come from about them only spamming their attack move.

    Things can go south very quickly, and typically as a healer I am healing regularly because the party fails mechanics or dies. I am able to attack here and there, yes, but it seems like the issue is being overblown. Outside of healing, I pay attention to tank busters and give extra mitigation such as aquaveil or I shield them if I'm playing sage. There is more to the role that I can be doing than restoring everyone's HP and trying to keep everyone alive.

    Conversely, I've also had experiences as a tank where I've had to solo a boss that was near death in order to ensure the clear, rather than starting over.
    I can see why it might make the healers feel as though they are not needed, but the point remains that healers ensure that the rest of the party are alive and well, as the role of healer is that of support.

    That doesn't mean that I am against the message, that having more damaging skills would be fun because I agree, especially as someone who likes sage.

    It seems like the main greivance is with warrior's skill bloodwhetting, as it is a pretty powerful mitigation tool that can heal the warrior to full very quickly. The other tanks, while they might also have self-sustain, can not compare to something like that.

    It is not reportable for a healer to not attack, go crawl back into your little hole till you know what you are talking about. Go read the TOS.
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  8. #3398
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    WeakestZenosEnjoyer's Avatar
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    Scrappy Moonlord
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    Halicarnassus
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I get that it won't be with duty finder, but at the end of the day the role is still being played. Wouldn't the impact be greater if people abstained completely from the role?
    Yes, and at least some of us will be (ideally don't level them at all, that's a statistic too) but also as a decentralized internet movement we have no ability to say "don't play with your friends > : ("

    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    I also don't see disrupting gameplay as a viable option either.
    If one queues into a duty and refuses to do damage whatsoever, that's something that can be reported.
    I honestly doubt the GMs would do anything but I agree in principle, very much not the plan.

    Quote Originally Posted by CVXIV View Post
    Speaking from my own experience with healing, I don't see where people come from about them only spamming their attack move.
    On this one we have the receipts but if you want a personal anecdote I grinded a little bit of P12N for alt gear in Duty Finder and never used a GCD heal while the boss was targetable while also keeping everyone near full health using a fraction of my oGCD kit (which means every heal was weaved with dosis). This should not be casually possible on the final raid floor of optional content.
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  9. #3399
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    Rawker Stone
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Bibine_Bine View Post
    Sprint is mitigation. Use Sprint. If you're a healer and you can't just simply press Sprint when the tank does then that's just a skill issue.
    plus in the event that the tank dies, and you happen to bee a caster, Sleep is a run saver.
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  10. #3400
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    Cyrus Vincere
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    Malboro
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade878 View Post
    Maybe if you listened to what healer mains had to say more and complained less youd understand what we hope to achieve.

    Not only that, but if they actually punished healers for not doing damage when our role is to HEAL, it would 100% prove our point that the devs dont care about healing/healers and see us mainly as an off-brand DPS knockoff.
    In what way in my original message did I complain?
    I said I failed to understand it because if someone is going on strike, why would you then still partake in what the strike is against?

    I overall stated that I agreed with the message and that I would like to see more damaging options for healers.

    Regarding the point about GMs, I don't think it would prove anything but how childish some people can be. It won't do anyone any favors to queue into group content with the intent to bring everyone else down.
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