#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

Assuming a tank nerf happens, and my agency to help my party as a tank is completely taken away in the context of a bad or suboptimal healer. I can pretty much guarantee that I'll never queue for duties again outside of MSQ patches.
There are far better ways to cap weekly tomes (see hunt trains).

Having your ability to clear content be gated by the competency of a single roles is unfair, this is megalomania, I'm sure most of you are aware that tanks aren't needed either in casual(normal) content. Expert roulette can be cleared with two (or even one) healer easily, modern alliance raids too (you can survive a tankbuster in Euphrosyne with literally just divine benison and aquaveil + food @660ivl), Healer only ARs have been cycled through in Dynamis DC partyfinder.

I understand the overly simplified DPS rotation being a problem, but this intense desire to have other roles completely rely on you to survive in normal content even when they never get hit and press their survival buttons very well, comes across as gross and clearly overstepping behaviour. Players of non-healer roles deserve some sense of agency over their game play, especially when personal agency is so lacking in day to day life.

Please make this about your experiences only and don't step on other roles.

Again it’s not about taking away your agency. DRK has agency between TBN and its mitigation. It’s about not doing our role for us. The tanks are better healers than we are. We rely on the tanks for decent competency to help us clear why do you want to be completely exempt from our help. We simply want our role to be the best at what we do and not have it be overshadowed by another role

If tanks aren’t necessary then by that same nature you can’t be hard gated by a bad healer. We simply want our input in the game to feel impactful and meaningful, not have it play second fiddle to the tank doing it better than we do

[ty_taurus]

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

Your response to me personally was in no way polite, and was an argument of bad faith. But I digress. I don't think it's productive for us to continue talking about the topic, because it's clear there is no real communication happening and it's a waste of both our time to try. Let's just leave it at that and not interact further.

[Turtledeluxe]

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

I'm not on any kind of hate train but this is just false. You got into personal territory telling people they should play better. Your initial statements about WAR were fine until you began talking like that. Then it went downhill. I'm not an angel and I too have to avoid saying things that are too personal, so I get it.

To be clear, I'm not saying that means all your posts should be reviewed. I don't really find your trolling in this thread unique and as you said, it's obvious some of your posts are just bs for the sake of it.

[Eorzean_username]

This forum is getting clogged up with gotchas and questions asked as nauseum that are then getting buried and then asked again

I think people are imagining that I did that out of some sort of frothy-mouthed "revenge fantasy", but that's not the intent at all.

I realise that at the end of the day, there's a human being behind every post here, and so calling someone out specifically — especially when I've had plenty of cringey takes in my own post history over the years — can immediately become uncomfortable. And frankly, if doing-so makes people feel displeased, then I think that's a good thing — I would actually be disturbed if that post was met with gleeful enthusiasm, since my intention was not to recreate the JoJo meme of beating-someone down.

ie, Even though I think it was appropriate given the circumstances, I also think that it's good that there's pushback. I'm fine with being seen as "wrong", because I agree, it's not the sort of escalation that should be standardised.

At the same time, I think that it draws a line under how much time and energy is being wasted here bickering and repeating the same statements again and again, including from a segment of "guests" and "tourists" (so to speak) that go out of their way to try to belittle the concerns here. And especially in this case, one specific individual seemed to be disinterested in actually progressing the discussion at all, but rather just repeating the same antagonisms under a façade of semi-cordiality (that frequently flips back to condescension and hypocrisy).

If a more organised and consistent way of dealing with that, without continuing to encourage, indulge, and derail for it, becomes standardised as a response, then I think that's an improvement, and a response that I agree with.

I also take no offense to anyone who thinks that it was an inappropriate solution, and disapproves of my method. That's fine, and if it's a choice, I'd rather that the standard here be "too ethical" and "too forgiving" than the opposite possibility. I am no more above criticism than anyone else here.

[Kazmarek]

I'm not on any kind of hate train but this is just false. You got into personal territory telling people they should play better. Your initial statements about WAR were fine until you began talking like that. Then it went downhill. I'm not an angel and I too have to avoid saying things that are too personal, so I get it.

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

[Turtledeluxe]

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

Yeah but there's a practical and logical response to this-- nobody wants to wait 20 mins for the WAR fantasy. You acknowledged yourself that it "takes more time" to do. Making it harder to survive without healers is not an attack on tanks or DPS, it has a meaningful function.

Mitigation (on non tank roles) and healing (on non healers) should be balanced appropriately to accommodate for one offs or mild sequences of time, not invincibility. It's not practical for group based content.

[Supersnow845]

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

Which plays into the fact that tanks are disgustingly overtuned

I’ve had runs of most of the EW trials (usually the first run I did) where the tank wasn’t any better than the other players they just ended up the only one left alive because they take less damage with 7 vuln stacks than I do with none

So I die in two hits and have low margin for error, the tank physically can’t be killed then gets to solo the boss and call us all bad despite getting hit enough they would have died on any other role besides tank

The tanks are just too overtuned in every facet right now

[BunnyQueen]

Not to take sides, but tbf its really not any more obsessive than the person in question attempting to derail and discredit the thread for no other reason beyond what I presume to be "malicious for the sake of being malicious" for the last handful of pages, if not more than that. I think they even admitted to in some post that their goal post is to make the discussion less credible by antagonizing certain individuals and incite them to reacting in some particular way and in turn making the whole strike seem like a joke.

Start reporting them. Force the admins to shut them down.

Your response to me personally was in no way polite, and was an argument of bad faith. But I digress. I don't think it's productive for us to continue talking about the topic, because it's clear there is no real communication happening and it's a waste of both our time to try. Let's just leave it at that and not interact further.

It is why I didn't respond to them outside of their whole thing acting like the victim, gaslighting at it's prime, too bad it is easy to spot and doesn't work. Just ignore the kid and keep the topic on point which is the healerstrike and why healing sucks and we want the role back, we want to HEAL.

[lulunami]

I wonder when tank mains will finally realize that they are actually playing healers.

Tanks do not have to worry about enmity anymore. Tanks do not have to worry about positioning enemies anymore. They are just healers with defensive cooldowns.

[Milkbeard]

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This was inappropriate, and should not be reinforced.

If you're reading that massive post and going "eh oh well they did say this horrible thing"

Stop.

If you disagree enough with someone, drop it. Do not bandwagon. Unacceptable.