#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Kazmarek]

I think this is something we should nip in the bud.

I would appreciate that if you disagree with the thread topic, then you do so in a more polite way and have an open conversation rather than get disrespectful, clown what other people are saying, or argue in bad faith. I don't think it's anyone's responsibility to react to that kind of behavior in as gentle of a way possible when it inevitably happens either(or at all; let's be honest). But taking things to the extreme is neither healthy for discussion, nor the issues we're trying to talk about.

This is not a a kindergarden classroom, but it's not Coral Prison either.

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

[BunnyQueen]

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

I been watching, I call BS, you where the person who got rude first. Nice try on gaslighting. Wanna try again?

[ty_taurus]

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

Your response to me personally was in no way polite, and was an argument of bad faith. But I digress. I don't think it's productive for us to continue talking about the topic, because it's clear there is no real communication happening and it's a waste of both our time to try. Let's just leave it at that and not interact further.

[BunnyQueen]

Not to take sides, but tbf its really not any more obsessive than the person in question attempting to derail and discredit the thread for no other reason beyond what I presume to be "malicious for the sake of being malicious" for the last handful of pages, if not more than that. I think they even admitted to in some post that their goal post is to make the discussion less credible by antagonizing certain individuals and incite them to reacting in some particular way and in turn making the whole strike seem like a joke.

Start reporting them. Force the admins to shut them down.

Your response to me personally was in no way polite, and was an argument of bad faith. But I digress. I don't think it's productive for us to continue talking about the topic, because it's clear there is no real communication happening and it's a waste of both our time to try. Let's just leave it at that and not interact further.

It is why I didn't respond to them outside of their whole thing acting like the victim, gaslighting at it's prime, too bad it is easy to spot and doesn't work. Just ignore the kid and keep the topic on point which is the healerstrike and why healing sucks and we want the role back, we want to HEAL.

[Turtledeluxe]

My dude I did come in here trying to be polite at first. It was you all that got disrespectful with me because I disagreed that warrior sustain needed to be nerfed. From the responses I got, you'd think I went and personally slapped all of you in the face. That's when I got disrespectful myself.

I'm not on any kind of hate train but this is just false. You got into personal territory telling people they should play better. Your initial statements about WAR were fine until you began talking like that. Then it went downhill. I'm not an angel and I too have to avoid saying things that are too personal, so I get it.

To be clear, I'm not saying that means all your posts should be reviewed. I don't really find your trolling in this thread unique and as you said, it's obvious some of your posts are just bs for the sake of it.

[Kazmarek]

I'm not on any kind of hate train but this is just false. You got into personal territory telling people they should play better. Your initial statements about WAR were fine until you began talking like that. Then it went downhill. I'm not an angel and I too have to avoid saying things that are too personal, so I get it.

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

[Turtledeluxe]

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

Yeah but there's a practical and logical response to this-- nobody wants to wait 20 mins for the WAR fantasy. You acknowledged yourself that it "takes more time" to do. Making it harder to survive without healers is not an attack on tanks or DPS, it has a meaningful function.

Mitigation (on non tank roles) and healing (on non healers) should be balanced appropriately to accommodate for one offs or mild sequences of time, not invincibility. It's not practical for group based content.

[Supersnow845]

This is actually one of the statements I stand by. To me, personally, if the choice is between clearing, or wiping and starting over, I'd rather have the clear. The person in question... I think said both healers died? Which is why I said to play better. Because the tanks wouldn't have had to take over if nobody died in the first place. I think it's good that the tanks are able to do that. So if you're dying because you're not doing mechanics correctly, you need to play better. I've died because I didn't do mechanics correctly. The solution was to play better. Telling someone to play better- in this context- is not meant to be a personal attack, it's meant to be an obvious statement.

Which plays into the fact that tanks are disgustingly overtuned

I’ve had runs of most of the EW trials (usually the first run I did) where the tank wasn’t any better than the other players they just ended up the only one left alive because they take less damage with 7 vuln stacks than I do with none

So I die in two hits and have low margin for error, the tank physically can’t be killed then gets to solo the boss and call us all bad despite getting hit enough they would have died on any other role besides tank

The tanks are just too overtuned in every facet right now

[Kazmarek]

Which plays into the fact that tanks are disgustingly overtuned

I’ve had runs of most of the EW trials (usually the first run I did) where the tank wasn’t any better than the other players they just ended up the only one left alive because they take less damage with 7 vuln stacks than I do with none

So I die in two hits and have low margin for error, the tank physically can’t be killed then gets to solo the boss and call us all bad despite getting hit enough they would have died on any other role besides tank

The tanks are just too overtuned in every facet right now

But that's what a tank fundamentally is. They're supposed to be able to take more damage. That's the entire point of a tank. I love that I have a higher margin of error because it lets me learn faster. Now, it's been awhile, and I've improved a lot since, but when Delubrum Reginae or whatever it was called- the thing that was part of Bozja- came out, I died a lot because getting hit twice meant instant death. So if that's what you're looking for, I mean... I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Personally I think that having two hits be an automatic fail for everyone is bad.

And to add to that, and I guess to contradict what I said a little bit, I always use my better judgement in deciding if I'm going to finish the fight or reset. For example, if the entire party dies and I'm the only one left alive and the boss is at like 10% health, I'm finishing that fight. If the entire party dies and I'm the only one left alive and the boss is at like 60% health, I'm just resetting (except for one time on an alt where I soloed the last boss of grand cosmos as a gunbreaker down from 60% purely because I wanted to see if I could do it, sorry party) because it'll be faster for everyone if I reset instead of digging in and going for it.

[Supersnow845]

But that's what a tank fundamentally is. They're supposed to be able to take more damage. That's the entire point of a tank. I love that I have a higher margin of error because it lets me learn faster. Now, it's been awhile, and I've improved a lot since, but when Delubrum Reginae or whatever it was called- the thing that was part of Bozja- came out, I died a lot because getting hit twice meant instant death. So if that's what you're looking for, I mean... I guess you're entitled to your opinion. Personally I think that having two hits be an automatic fail for everyone is bad.

And to add to that, and I guess to contradict what I said a little bit, I always use my better judgement in deciding if I'm going to finish the fight or reset. For example, if the entire party dies and I'm the only one left alive and the boss is at like 10% health, I'm finishing that fight. If the entire party dies and I'm the only one left alive and the boss is at like 60% health, I'm just resetting (except for one time on an alt where I soloed the last boss of grand cosmos as a gunbreaker down from 60% purely because I wanted to see if I could do it, sorry party) because it'll be faster for everyone if I reset instead of digging in and going for it.

The tank has more HP and is tankier because they are supposed to be walloped by the boss, not just shrug everything off with zero effort because the boss is doing anything

Think of a boss like barbie that is widely respected, she barely does anything to the tank, hell she barely does anything to a DPS tanking. In a situation like that tanks just have more health, inherent defence and defensives for literally no other reason than to shrug off damage for no reason. The only thing that actually hurts in casual content is dungeon packs which are deleted by the tanks healing.

So you are way more defensive for basically no reason, you are barely hurt by anything which would be fine if everyone else died and you were desperately fighting to your last breath BUT INSTEAD you are also self sufficient on your healing even with 7 vuln stacks

Tanks are just messed up 5 ways from Sunday on their balance and while I applaud you for using better judgment to wipe at 60% know that most tank mains in that position won’t do that. That is simply unfair to the other roles and removes the agency of the healer role because you simply do not need us