#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[OdinelStarrei]

just bumrush the jp forums and make the japanese fans mad so they actually have to respond

I know this is probably just a joke, but brigading is not the answer.

People are tired of having to reiterate the same arguments, debate the same points. Line is firmly drawn at this point.

Really just wish there wasn't so many insults and passive aggressive BS flying around over it. It's vile. It's not like DT is going to be delayed, 7.2 changes were debunked obviously, and we're still years out from any meaningful adjustments. Don't see why there is so much emotional blowback for a thread on a forum.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I see that we’re reaching to ”wanting to delay DT release” now. Such mental gymnastic deserves a medal.

But I don’t have one

[Supersnow845]

Okay I’m gonna try to bring this back to healers here by connecting the feedback we have been offering to the design of what they gave us in DT as an example of why we think we continue to be ignored. Note the feedback I’m using here might not be 100% the most common feedback I’m just trying to paint a picture

WHM- high end feedback- excessive focus on glare spam and a lack of mitigation- squares response- add in another mitigation that is tied to your current mitigation when the feedback is that WHM’s mitigation is too long and inflexible. Tying caress to temperance benefits nobody. As for damage POM gives you 2 extra GCD casts, so 3 glare 4’s that are only pressed under POM amount to a change in one GCD
WHM- casual feedback- too much focus on damage and not enough healing- completely unchanged from EW

SCH- high end feedback- boring DPS rotation and a loss of identity to SGE- squares response- add in a single oGCD damage option every 2 minutes and give one of its most requested skills (miasma 2) to its counterpart that people are already unhappy is encroaching on its identity. Also giving it a massive buff to recitation nobody asked for and a capstone that doesn’t play into its strengths and completely is at odds with its lore when its lore is already tenuous
Casual feedback- skill conflict gives too high of a skill floor- completely unchanged

AST- high end feedback- high APM is good but it can be a bit unwieldy especially on controller and it’s annoying having to tie the only movement tool we have to maximising burst. Also not as problematic as WHM but also lacks mitigation- squares response- nuke the card system from orbit and give it 4 extra charges of flavoured energy drain. Still doesn’t fix controller problem and mitigation is again tied to long CD of another mitigation
Casual feedback- cards are too confusing to remember- unchanged (if anything it got worse)

SGE- high end feedback- literally zero optimisation potential, its floor is its ceiling, also why do we have so many regens in a shield healer and im getting squashed by SCH in mitigation potential- squares response- here is some damage options you literally cannot optimise around, they are the most rigid way we could add some damage options. Also we heard you wanted pankardia instead of physis, well here is fake pankardia that gives you another regen but doesn’t help your shielding.
Casual feedback- job is poorly explained, skills don’t make a lot of sense and addersting encourages bad play- unchanged


Do you see why we have problems. Our feedback either seems to not get acted on or it gets twisted in weird ways that end up making it worse than nothing. Absolutely nobody who asked for pankardia wanted whatever the hell philosophia is for example. This is why we are tired, our feedback is going nowhere

[Aravell]

Cant say I agree with this, if you truly believe in something you will put all of yourself on the line and be open to any scrutinization, by hiding behind an alt you have no real agenda and you are showing you are scared of actual criticism.

Im not here to doompost but hiding behind an alt will not help your agenda.

What agenda? I'm not playing healers in DT because I'm bored of them, what agenda do I even have?

Also, if you want to show yourself to the world, that's your prerogative, I don't.

[Kathryn]

What agenda? I'm not playing healers in DT because I'm bored of them, what agenda do I even have?

Also, if you want to show yourself to the world, that's your prerogative, I don't.

Thats fine, you are not open to criticism, you are scared of it so you hide behind an alt instead of showing your accomplishments that makes healers boring and are certainly not needed for all content, that's fine I now know for certain this thread isnt a serious one and I will leave you all to it, it got boring reading all the players attacking eachother instead of seeing a real discussion.

[Supersnow845]

Thats fine, you are not open to criticism, you are scared of it so you hide behind an alt instead of showing your accomplishments that makes healers boring and are certainly not needed for all content, that's fine I now know for certain this thread isnt a serious one and I will leave you all to it, it got boring reading all the players attacking eachother instead of seeing a real discussion.

Again can you please tell us what showing our raid logs will add to our stance in this conversation

We have been attacked both ways at being too good and not good enough for this game, what will seeing our true logs do in this sense, if you don’t want to attack us as being too good then our logs are meaningless, if you want to assert we aren’t good enough to be making this argument then why are we also getting attacked for being too good

[Evergrey]

Again can you please tell us what showing our raid logs will add to our stance in this conversation

We have been attacked both ways at being too good and not good enough for this game, what will seeing our true logs do in this sense, if you don’t want to attack us as being too good then our logs are meaningless, if you want to assert we aren’t good enough to be making this argument then why are we also getting attacked for being too good

I can't say for what others have in mind regarding logs being too bad or too good.
But my personal thoughts from reading what you said is that those few logs I've stumbled across through out this thread has more or less been from statics that know every mechanic.
And we all know, that a group that knows a fight in an out won't take as much damage meaning less opportunities for healers to heal.
So maybe a log from a Party Finder pog group could give a better view when a group isn't coordinated and well oiled.
Give the numbers of how a group with accidents might look like.

[OdinelStarrei]

I can't say for what others have in mind regarding logs being too bad or too good.
But my personal thoughts from reading what you said is that those few logs I've stumbled across through out this thread has more or less been from statics that know every mechanic.
And we all know, that a group that knows a fight in an out won't take as much damage meaning less opportunities for healers to heal.
So maybe a log from a Party Finder pog group could give a better view when a group isn't cordinated and well oiled.
Give the numbers of how a group with accidents might look like.

There's not going to be a lot of logs like that in more recent expansions, because if there is a group that has an accident, you don't clear.

The party just instantly dies. You're not even allowed to salvage most encounters. If someone "makes a mistake" in P9S limit cut, how exactly are we going to salvage that pull? That's the first fight. We're not even talking about P10S or P12S.

Sure, we have things like "DeathCOB" as our fringe outlier, but even content outside of savage, things like Criterion or Delubrum Savage make it a point to demand mechanical consistency above all else, because the consequence is a wipe that the healers cannot recover from, not because they don't have the resources, but because the fight mechanics will force death. I'm not promoting zombie'ing through fights, but I am saying there is a reason people are kinda over getting body checked every 2 minutes.

[Reinha]

Thats fine, you are not open to criticism, you are scared of it so you hide behind an alt instead of showing your accomplishments that makes healers boring and are certainly not needed for all content, that's fine I now know for certain this thread isnt a serious one and I will leave you all to it, it got boring reading all the players attacking eachother instead of seeing a real discussion.

This entire post, and any requests to show savage logs when the discussion is not about savage but job design, are ad hominem attacks and we don't have to respond to them. The people who have anything intelligent to say about healer design are able to do so without criticising a person's accomplishments.