#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[TheDruidOcelot]

The ratio is just one metric. Don't forget about the sheer amount of subs, that's an absolutely more valuable metric to SE than anything else in the game. If every healer main unsubbed from the game, you'd be damn sure SE will try their damned hardest to get those players back urgently.

To me, this healer strike feels like a half measure. If you're ok with a slight inconvenience, then fine. Just don't expect any notable change in the foreseeable future. I also don't have confidence that this strike will last long enough for SE to care. How long will players strike for?

other people have already mentioned this but- people unsub in this game all the time. constantly. between patches, between expacs, and i personally don't think unsub numbers actually matter that much for square enix, in terms of how they choose to balance the game.

because we haven't actually seen them try and grab back unsubscribed people. ever.

but when a job has a sharp dip in players, or is deeply unpopular, it gets a rework.

ex- monk, three expansions in a row, got a rework based on it being one of the least played classes.

i don't think they'll do anything to address it before 8.0. i also don't think that the "enhanced encounter design" that they pushed back to 7.2 will fix anything, except MAYBE be a bandaid if they actually increase the amount of incoming damage to the party.

i still deserve to get to have fun.

we are playing a game to have fun, after all.

healing's just not fun for me any more, so i am choosing to do something else with my time.

it has nothing to do with "inconveniencing other players" because i honestly do not think that queues are going to be impacted that badly. thats not the metric i'm trying to put my thumb on. i've mained healers since stormblood. i am no longer maining healers. if enough people do the same, and healers drop in popularity any more than they are currently (people really don't main healers in the numbers people want to assume, they get their mastering w&m achievement and then basically don't touch them unless forced.) then square enix needs to do something on their end, because of that.

(though tanks did get mid-expac reworks, like what they did with paladin in EW, so it's not that they COULDN'T address healer problems, its that they've chosen not to, for half a decade and then a bit.)

[Minarisweet]

other people have already mentioned this but- people unsub in this game all the time. constantly. between patches, between expacs, and i personally don't think unsub numbers actually matter that much for square enix, in terms of how they choose to balance the game.

because we haven't actually seen them try and grab back unsubscribed people. ever.

but when a job has a sharp dip in players, or is deeply unpopular, it gets a rework.

ex- monk, three expansions in a row, got a rework based on it being one of the least played classes.

i don't think they'll do anything to address it before 8.0. i also don't think that the "enhanced encounter design" that they pushed back to 7.2 will fix anything, except MAYBE be a bandaid if they actually increase the amount of incoming damage to the party.

i still deserve to get to have fun.

we are playing a game to have fun, after all.

healing's just not fun for me any more, so i am choosing to do something else with my time.

it has nothing to do with "inconveniencing other players" because i honestly do not think that queues are going to be impacted that badly. thats not the metric i'm trying to put my thumb on. i've mained healers since stormblood. i am no longer maining healers. if enough people do the same, and healers drop in popularity any more than they are currently (people really don't main healers in the numbers people want to assume, they get their mastering w&m achievement and then basically don't touch them unless forced.) then square enix needs to do something on their end, because of that.

(though tanks did get mid-expac reworks, like what they did with paladin in EW, so it's not that they COULDN'T address healer problems, its that they've chosen not to, for half a decade and then a bit.)

I honestly just think most normal content will be boring with any job because of how undertuned it always is.

Ive tried not playing healers and while I do have fun with say samurai for a while it becomes just as boring, same with gunbreaker which is the most complext tank, same as bard same as black mage...

My favorite role to play in high end is healer 100% its super rewarding but then its the most boring role to play in normal content... but its not really unique to the role normal content is the issue in my opinion.

[ZephyrMenodora]

I honestly just think most normal content will be boring with any job because of how undertuned it always is.

Ive tried not playing healers and while I do have fun with say samurai for a while it becomes just as boring, same with gunbreaker which is the most complext tank, same as bard same as black mage...

My favorite role to play in high end is healer 100% its super rewarding but then its the most boring role to play in normal content... but its not really unique to the role normal content is the issue in my opinion.

Seems how I felt. Back when I only levelled Whm Summoner and Scholar I'd leave XIV after a while since it started feeling dull. Levelling a lot more jobs has kept my interest a lot longer. I don't find any of the jobs exciting enough to hold my interest full time.

[Minarisweet]

And while the answer seems kinda obvious "just play high end xd" I think everyone has to remember most of the content in ffxiv is normal content... and there's barely any midcore content besides like bozja and eureka which a lot of people will also argue is just normal too. It still doesnt doesnt erase the fact that most of the content in the game is undertuned and therefore eventually boring... in a game where you're supossed to play it multiple times for the rewards.

[Jojoya]

because we haven't actually seen them try and grab back unsubscribed people. ever.

Except they do. Two-three times a year. What do you think the Free Login and Callback Campaigns are?

Or were you being sarcastic?

You don't enjoy healing anymore and are going to start playing jobs in other roles. That's relatable to everyone. People lose enjoyment in things and start doing new things all the time.

All of you could just say you're retiring from healing or changing careers from healer to tank/DPS if you wanted to bring in employment related phrases.

How's it going to feel when players are still progressing through MSQ while your strike is going on? Still managing to get their roulettes done because other players stepped up where you stepped down.

Been sitting on one of my alts watching AIN status as I scroll through this thread.

This is what Crystal DF looked like 5 minutes ago (by the time I post this).



It had been running about 80% tank AIN and 20% healer AIN but had to laugh when it switched to that.

Seems like there are plenty of healers out there doing content as usual and it's pretty unlikely to change at Dawntrail launch regardless of your strike.

[Rolder50]

How's it going to feel when players are still progressing through MSQ while your strike is going on? Still managing to get their roulettes done because other players stepped up where you stepped down.

I'll probably feel fine since I'll actually be having fun on a DPS job rather then falling asleep on a healer.

[Jojoya]

I'll probably feel fine since I'll actually be having fun on a DPS job rather then falling asleep on a healer.

Then I'm honestly happy for you.

I'm a big fan of doing what you personally find fun (as long as that doesn't mean maliciously ruining someone else's fun). It's why I've been in this forum encouraging posters to go play other games when they've gone on their "game sucks/game is dying" rants. If it's not fun to you, don't do it.

and i literally mentioned balance adjustments not being used to regain unsubbed players. its very silly of you to clip a single phrase out of context, it makes you look SUPER duper clever, here's the full context of that little snippet you did

No, you didn't.

What you said was that you don't think they take unsubbed players into consideration when balancing numbers. That's effectively saying they only care about subscribed players when making balancing adjustments. End of paragraph.

Then you started a new paragraph saying they never try to try to get back unsubbed players.

If you meant that they don't use balancing numbers to try to draw unsubbed players back to the game, you should have said it that way.

[ZavosEsperian]

Then I'm honestly happy for you.

I'm a big fan of doing what you personally find fun (as long as that doesn't mean maliciously ruining someone else's fun). It's why I've been in this forum encouraging posters to go play other games when they've gone on their "game sucks/game is dying" rants. If it's not fun to you, don't do it.

Hyperbole aside, most of the people wanting changes made to how healer as a role feels or plays want to play this game. In addition, I believe it is good to allow people to discuss their grievances with a particular product because it shows they actually care about said product. Telling someone to play something else is effectively telling them to go buy something else, or to use a different product. How is someone who is not actively using a product able to give reliable feedback, especially if things change.

I don't particularly have any issues with what anyone is doing, as I am able to play every role in the game and, for the most part, enjoy what I am doing. I also do not mind using the trust system, and I can effectively level all of my healers to max level without the need to engage with anyone else. As such I have the following question:

Do you find malice in me leveling my healers via the Trust System instead of leveling my healers via group content with my reason being I have more fun healing the Trust NPCs than I do healing group content?

[TheDruidOcelot]

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honey i literally said i don't care about it impacting queues.

and i literally mentioned balance adjustments not being used to regain unsubbed players. its very silly of you to clip a single phrase out of context, it makes you look SUPER duper clever, here's the full context of that little snippet you did

other people have already mentioned this but- people unsub in this game all the time. constantly. between patches, between expacs, and i personally don't think unsub numbers actually matter that much for square enix, in terms of how they choose to balance the game.

because they don't use balance adjustments to do that.

i know you're having a really emotional reaction. and that you really don't like the word strike being used, though i didn't use it in the post you're responding to. and "thinking its funny" is still an emotional reaction.

if you want to actually address my point that what i care about is their internal metrics about what percentage of players play what roles for what percentage of their playtime feel free to do so, but you aren't actually addressing that by bringing up an unrelated situation.

i understand that you don't care about how healer mains feel about how their role plays.

thats okay!

but don't misconstrue what people say by removing surrounding context. it makes it super obvious you're doing it in bad faith, okay, sweet pea?