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  1. #1671
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    MarniDawg's Avatar
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    Seefa Corgine
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    Leviathan
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    Summoner Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Naple View Post
    To me, this healer strike feels like a half measure. If you're ok with a slight inconvenience, then fine. Just don't expect any notable change in the foreseeable future. I also don't have confidence that this strike will last long enough for SE to care. How long will players strike for?
    This is my point exactly. A mild inconvenience if one uses duty finder. Otherwise people will just queue with friends or use trust/duty support. I feel like a better idea would be to do as the devs have so often suggested (and has started to be achieved here) make a thread with feedback all in one place, reply to it, and share it around to see that there is backing behind the idea/changes. Heck have some more popular content creators create videos about it so the word gets around more. Just sitting around with folded arms going "i no play healer, i play dps until i get my way" doesn't really accomplish much.
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  3. #1672
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    FairyDJ's Avatar
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    A'leksan Shadowheart
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    Brynhildr
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    Bard Lv 90

    My 2 Cents

    I am going to show support here. While I have not played the game as long as others here, and the fact I was not around for Healing for All expansions, I will say Healing in EW is something I do when I feel like coasting along. The purpose of a Healer is to Heal. We can't do that if Tanks and DPS continue to get personal Mits and Self Sustains. It really cheapens us and lessen the value we have over the other classes. I also get Disappointed when I see all Tank Raids or Savage and Ults or all Dancer Parties. There were all dancer parties in Aglaia recently and they cleared it. Not discrediting the hard work they put in. But I feel like this does speak volumes to class imbalances in the game. I hope that Rework Astro is a step toward improving healing and bringing class identity back to Healer Roles. Please listen to your healers. They are tired.
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  4. #1673
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    TheDruidOcelot's Avatar
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    N'qehbe Moshroca
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    Ultros
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    Dancer Lv 78
    Quote Originally Posted by Naple View Post
    The ratio is just one metric. Don't forget about the sheer amount of subs, that's an absolutely more valuable metric to SE than anything else in the game. If every healer main unsubbed from the game, you'd be damn sure SE will try their damned hardest to get those players back urgently.

    To me, this healer strike feels like a half measure. If you're ok with a slight inconvenience, then fine. Just don't expect any notable change in the foreseeable future. I also don't have confidence that this strike will last long enough for SE to care. How long will players strike for?
    other people have already mentioned this but- people unsub in this game all the time. constantly. between patches, between expacs, and i personally don't think unsub numbers actually matter that much for square enix, in terms of how they choose to balance the game.

    because we haven't actually seen them try and grab back unsubscribed people. ever.

    but when a job has a sharp dip in players, or is deeply unpopular, it gets a rework.

    ex- monk, three expansions in a row, got a rework based on it being one of the least played classes.

    i don't think they'll do anything to address it before 8.0. i also don't think that the "enhanced encounter design" that they pushed back to 7.2 will fix anything, except MAYBE be a bandaid if they actually increase the amount of incoming damage to the party.

    i still deserve to get to have fun.

    we are playing a game to have fun, after all.

    healing's just not fun for me any more, so i am choosing to do something else with my time.

    it has nothing to do with "inconveniencing other players" because i honestly do not think that queues are going to be impacted that badly. thats not the metric i'm trying to put my thumb on. i've mained healers since stormblood. i am no longer maining healers. if enough people do the same, and healers drop in popularity any more than they are currently (people really don't main healers in the numbers people want to assume, they get their mastering w&m achievement and then basically don't touch them unless forced.) then square enix needs to do something on their end, because of that.

    (though tanks did get mid-expac reworks, like what they did with paladin in EW, so it's not that they COULDN'T address healer problems, its that they've chosen not to, for half a decade and then a bit.)
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    Last edited by TheDruidOcelot; 06-14-2024 at 03:49 AM. Reason: typo

  5. #1674
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naple View Post
    The ratio is just one metric. Don't forget about the sheer amount of subs, that's an absolutely more valuable metric to SE than anything else in the game. If every healer main unsubbed from the game, you'd be damn sure SE will try their damned hardest to get those players back urgently.

    To me, this healer strike feels like a half measure. If you're ok with a slight inconvenience, then fine. Just don't expect any notable change in the foreseeable future. I also don't have confidence that this strike will last long enough for SE to care. How long will players strike for?
    have u seen the latest luckybancho lol
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  6. #1675
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    Naple's Avatar
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    Hakeem Olajuwan
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    Quote Originally Posted by HighlanderClone View Post
    have u seen the latest luckybancho lol
    Yes, that's just the natural decline from an absurd peak that was EW launch.
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  7. #1676
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    Turtledeluxe's Avatar
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    Kinda Hungry
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    Siren
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    Just "seeing posts" is anecdotal. That's probably why opposing sides keep referencing it. Of course pro strike people are going to say it's having an impact, because even 1 single post as a result of the strike is progress. Just one. The strike does not have an imaginary goal post aside from long term adjustments to jobs and or encounters. It could stay on the forum, spread to social media, be on Asmongold's channel. We are open to everything. No one is using Twitter to say the strike is decidedly successful.

    But critics are citing it as evidence that we should give up or as reason to not join.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-14-2024 at 03:59 AM.

  8. #1677
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    FairyDJ's Avatar
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    A'leksan Shadowheart
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensui View Post
    I'm gonna go against the grain here and say they gave DPS and Tanks more mits and self heals cuz healers are too busy spamming glare rather than healing and we're tired of dying to raid wides.

    *ducks*
    I think fixing the engagement will help here some. Of course they will be one or 2 healers still just spamming glare but a lot of the time for me I get so bored that I forget to heal damage during raid wides because I forget I am playing healer. It needs to be more interesting. I hate overwatch but I love playing Lucio as support. I love healing challenges of staying alive and trying to keep my party alive throwing in an attack from time to time. I found myself in EW attacking more and healing less.
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  9. #1678
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    A'leksan Shadowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by EusisLandale View Post
    A tank not doing their job gets noticed, yes.
    Meanwhile I've had more than a few dungeons runs where, upon entry, I get told to not heal. First couple times it happened, I just sat there and watched, hoping for the tank to hit the ground. They never did. All I did was follow behind the group doing nothing, and nobody noticed anything out of the ordinary.
    And this is unfortunate. I had a War tell me not to heal in level 90 and that is frustrating especially since I came into the dungeon as a healer. It leaves a bad taste in a person's mouth and I can only imagine if someone told a sprout healer that. Especially one trying to learn the class. It is not a good system the Healers are in and its upsetting.
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  10. #1679
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    Hen'iel Jackel
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    Twintania
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarniDawg View Post
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    That’s already happening though.
    This thread here is already a central point for this stuff and the bigger content creators are already talking about it.
    This movement itself would probably not change much itself but it is already quit loud and together with the blm stuff that even cooks in the Japanese forum it is sure to reach the devs and that is I guess the biggest goal of all this.

    This stuff is kinda bad pr no matter how one thinks about it and yoshida is already giving Interview after interview where he promises jobs to not be getting simpler.
    Its kinda interesting seeing all this finally boiling so hot shortly before an expansion and no, the other expansions did not have this amount of negativity going into them even on this forum here.
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  11. #1680
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    A'leksan Shadowheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKMXIV View Post
    I'm still going to max out every job, but I won't be running roulettes as a healer outside of Frontline for the EXP. The reason is that I do find PVP healer to be fun. Mostly in CC matches but Frontline has its moments.
    I think I am going to do healer trusts in my downtime.
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