#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[OgruMogru]

Well, if the only thing you're trying to accomplish is increasing queue times by maybe a few seconds if EVERY healer in this thread decided to actually quit the role (because this thread represents such a minority of the playerbase), EXCLUSIVELY for roulettes, then it isn't all that much of a strike, is it?

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

[Loggos]

But if people used duty support or made custom party finder groups wouldn't that still show up in the devs' internal metrics?

(Let's just say purely for argument's sake the strike would work and DF queues suddenly would take much longer, so people would switch to duty support and PF.)

If the devs see in their internal metrics that a lot fewer healers queue in the DF, and at the same time a lot more people use (the much slower) duty support on other jobs than healers, and perhaps in the party finder significantly more people organise 1T3DPS runs, then this would still convey a message about healers to them.

Namely that a lot fewer people play healers, that the role is clearly not attractive right now, and that people resort to other measures than trinity-based group play to deal with it.

So if they want to stick with the trinity system then they need to make the role, that is currently so undesirable, appealing again.

If as a result more people return to the role, i.e. more healers queue for group content, fewer people feel compelled to do trusts and 1T3DPS runs are not as viable anymore as normal 1T1H2DPS runs for efficient group play, then their adjustment was successful.

That is purely hypothetical of course. I don't think we will make this kind of difference but I also don't think people turning to trusts would diminish our efforts and might in fact even convey the message.


Edit:

You beat me to it, hehe

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

[Turtledeluxe]

Um I spent the entire day talking about DA: Veilguard and happened to like some XIV main account "Dawntrail countdown" post, and that's my only XIV activity recently. What bias is there?

Do you not realize that Algorithms are based on solely what you do and are interested in? A For You page is a totally useless way to give us a data. You cited it to paint a narrative you agree with, moreover.

And by what you do, I mean the sum total of what you have ever done on that site, ans maybe even data shared with their partners from your activity elsewhere. That's how it works. Your history is irrelevant anyway. The fact is you admitted to using the for you function lol.

[ZephyrMenodora]

The existence of something liked 2300 times is just as much data as this thread being liked 240 times. Stop talking out of your ass just because you don't like that there are people out there who don't care. They exist. Pretending I am lying about a Tweet I saw because it's counter to this thread and what you want to hear doesn't make me a liar.

Stop bringing up algorithms tailoring to bias on one hand and then saying on your other that history is irrelevant, since that is what an algorithm uses.

[Flay_wind]

~Trusts are bad by design~


The real rebuttal that you should bring up is when you get to a Trial, but even then, when I got to the lv83 trial when Endwalker launched, and we couldn't get a queue to pop because not enough players had gotten that far yet, we just opened a PF and had a SMN main switch to SCH for the fight, and we just cleared it with 1 tank, 1 healer, and 6 dps.

That is true, ye. And it does save you time running a dungeon with trusts with an instant queue as a dps as opposed to waiting for regular dps queue. It's a decent time saver, i did it myself.
But Trusts can't run roulettes with you. So you can't benefit from a Roulette bonus, namely the main roulettes people run. Leveling or MSQ for exp or Expert for tomestones.

Also valid point. But people already did PF new content naturally especially when it's brand new.

[suxalarteT]

FFXIV Healers have been in QUITE the state for a while now.

As an [AST][SCH] main I have various concerns and frustrations over the past few years however the Dawntrail Astrologian changes are INSANE, in a bad way and I could write paragraphs upon paragraphs on the DT AST changes alone.~

All my friends and people I know who play AST as well as just other healers in general agree with me, and they are a mix of raiders and non-raiders before people start that drama.

In the forums so far i've seen people make frustrating posts, or even to the #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE thread say they are in support of it, but not for the reasons they should be/for the wrong reasons. Regardless, here's my +1 because this is the worst iteration of AST imo and if I didn't have an active FC of close friends I would have quit the game with the DT Media Tour embargo lifting, for multiple reasons but 90% because of the AST changes and direction it's going in.

[Pandurah]

I'm sorry that this is inconvenient to the cause, one I support, but you should be aware that there are also people out there who simply don't care about this.

Of course there're people out there that don't care. My friends don't care. My parents don't care. My cats don't care. Coming here to say 'people don't care' is kinda irrelevant, as you're here to add engagement and boost the thread. Thanks for your support.

[Myrany]

As stated many times over, the idea is to affect the metrics, not inconvenience others [people swapping from healer to dps will also have longer queues] I only even bring up roulettes not being usable as trusts because people keep smugly presenting the existence of trusts/duty support as a gotcha when... it's not

Then again there are many of the more casual players that don't do or care about roulettes.

I totally respect your right to refuse to play a class that you do not currently enjoy. That is exactly what should be done when something is not fun.

Thing is other players will find their own ways to cope with whatever healer shortage might be created. That might be forming their own parties, it might be duty support or trusts, it might be taking up healer themselves or it might be something I haven't even thought of.

The only thing I have mentioned (and got slammed for) is that I do not think changes will be fast in coming. Partially because development of the sorts of changes you want is not a fast process. Partially because in this thread alone there seem to be very conflicting ideas of what you want done. Yes you want healer to be more interesting (something I agree with) but there is no consensus of exactly how you want that to be done. In the last partially because other players will cope with the shortage diminishing the urgency for SQEX to do anything.

Are all of you ready to continue this for the duration even if that duration pushes beyond 7.2 and possibly as far as 8.0 when it is planned for everything to be reworked? I hope you will continue, I really do. I support all of you standing up for yourselves.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Of course there're people out there that don't care. My friends don't care. My parents don't care. My cats don't care. Coming here to say 'people don't care' is kinda irrelevant, as you're here to add engagement and boost the thread. Thanks for your support.

I'm talking about FFXIV players who don't care. What was the point of this comment?

I already supported this thread and find healers boring. Why are you attacking me? Just cannibalize the cause. Anyway I'm out. Going to log in and heal something.

[Morr_Ar]

I just signed up to the forums to comment on this thread. I'm not a Healer, but even I can see the absolute state of the Healer role right now. So I fully support the strike action, and I hope your voices are heard by the Dev team. That any dungeon content can be cleared without a healer is absurd, and is an urgent flaw with the game that needs addressed.