#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

This team operates on a strict schedule, with huge demands to maintain quality, functionality, and substance in ALL new content, a fact many people seem happy to overlook. They can't change much until 8.0, which Yoshida has already promised will see a greater emphasis on individuality. I'm sure they hear the feedback, but it will probably take some time to implement as they aren't at liberty to make huge changes on a whim. But if we disrupt queues and force them to make a change early, that will most likely disrupt their work cycle and everyone else who isn't a healer main will suffer for it.

I'm sorry, but this part is unacceptable. You said you're sure they hear the feedback, but the feedback has been given since pre-launch of Shadowbringers, that's all the way back in 2019. They've had 5 whole years to acknowledge the feedback given and work to change anything at all, and now they say "Wait until 8.0"?

Their workflow wouldn't be disrupted if they actually built upon the base of the Shadowbringers kit like they said they would instead of leaving every healer to stagnate until their identities are slowly washed away.

[Tonaka]

I would like to explain why I decided to post on an overseas forum this time.
This is going to be a very long post, and I will also be covering topics other than games. I apologize if there are people who don't like long texts or feel uncomfortable.

This is an attempt that can only be made in overseas forums. I am confident that if this attempt is successful, a new path will open up.

When I am faced with a negative situation and find myself thinking negatively, I try to think in a different way.
I don't know if these feelings and feelings will reach everyone. I post with the feeling of "Will it reach me? I hope it reaches me!"


1. Differences between overseas and Japanese forums
At the Japan Forum, moderators strictly control defamatory opinions, topics unrelated to discussion, and inappropriate comments. Your post will be deleted immediately. For those on overseas forums, maybe the moderators aren't looking at it or the FB isn't reaching them? I think there are some people who have doubts about this. I've only seen a few of them, but I get the feeling that even posts that would be deleted in Japan are ignored.

Instead of lamenting this situation, what if we changed our way of thinking in a positive direction? When I thought about it, I came to a conclusion. Could it not be deleted due to differences in national culture or language? That's the conclusion. What this means is that you can post and discuss things that cannot be discussed on the Japanese Forum.

In Japanese forums, even if you publish a different game title, people will explain it and bring it up because they are worried that it will be deleted. I guess you don't have to worry about that in overseas forums. MMO history has been going on for over 20 years. I'm sure there are many people who have played many MMOs other than FF14. I think you can freely discuss what was good and bad about other games, and what elements you would like to see incorporated into FF14. Unfortunately, I think this is something that will be deleted on the Japanese forum. This is a big advantage.

[Reinha]

This is an attempt that can only be made in overseas forums. I am confident that if this attempt is successful, a new path will open up.

Thank you for your very thoughtful post! You brought up very interesting points. Japanese players are always welcome to post here using machine translation and I'm sure this sentiment is unanimous among English speaking forum users. I believe you are correct in saying that here is more freedom to express ideas and opinions about the game in overseas forums and I'm glad more Japanese players are taking the opportunity to do so. Reading different perspectives enriches discussions and knowing that our ideas have support around the world makes everyone feel less alone.

[Tonaka]

2. Understand the development intent and Mr. Yoshida's intent

During the media tour, I saw a video of a player conquering ID with a warrior and red DPS configuration.
It's strange that you can clear the game without a healer. I think it's natural to hear that the balance is strange. But think about it. If this happens in other MMOs, would it be fixed immediately or during the next maintenance? I remember many MMOs I played in the past where such unbalanced specifications were quickly resolved. Why hasn't FF14 been fixed? It is necessary to decipher this intention.

A little off-topic, but in FF14, if the use of an external tool is confirmed, the user will immediately be penalized. It is considered bad to use it with external tools. However, the housing's floating furniture technique and elevator gimmick using furniture have been recognized as official tricks and allowed to be used. What I'm trying to say is that users are allowed to play tricks that use the specifications only within the game. Isn't this also reflected in battle jobs? Originally, ID and raid boss will be fixed at T2D4H2 when using CF or RF. Battle jobs are adjusted based on those specifications.

You can play the game without a healer, without a tank, or without red DPS. If you form a party, you can play even the latest content in any configuration. I don't know of any other MMO title that can be played with this balance (Western MMOs don't suit me because I like to use cute characters. I haven't played them, so I have limited knowledge. I'm sorry)

Isn't this development, Mr. Yoshida, intentionally leaving it alone? Rather than focusing on balance, I feel that we intentionally leave room for users to play in a wide range of ways and have free ideas.

[Tonaka]

3.Characteristics of Japanese people
Several people have come down to speak for us, but strikes do not have a good impression in Japan. The protests also don't give a good impression. Japanese people are afraid of causing trouble to others. Demonstrations also have religious associations. In the past, there have been cases in Japan that have remained in history. Some people remember that. I am one of them. I would be happy if you could recognize that this is a behavior that is culturally and historically unacceptable in Japan. However, many Japanese people are aware that strikes and protests are commonplace overseas. I understand that there are rights and revolutions won through that action. I'm sure some people are feeling anxious or negative about this thread.


I can't imagine what the outcome would be. However, I think this thread is attracting attention both domestically and internationally. Has there ever been a situation in the past that has attracted attention beyond national borders? I think it will definitely go down in the history of FF14. It was because of everyone's enthusiasm, so there is no good or bad.

Going off topic again, I don't know how it's received from overseas. Some people may feel uncomfortable. sorry. Obama is very popular in Japan. As for how popular he is, he is depicted as a character similar to a Japanese manga, carrying a Blackberry device. He appears from the middle to the end of the story in a Japanese manga called ``Air Gear.'' It was shocking to me and I still can't forget it. His famous quote "Yes We Can" is widely recognized in Japan. Unfortunately, the Japanese personality and characteristic is "Yes he will"

[Tonaka]

I feel that you can do things that cannot be done in Japanese forums. I don't know what other people think, and I don't know if I'm communicating well. However, I would like to send the words "Yes He Will" to everyone in the overseas forums. If I were to express this in the FF14 style, I would be passing synergy from one Japanese person. I can only support them through synergy. And what would you do if you received synergy? Wouldn't you like to do some damage to increase your DPS? I want everyone overseas to have a "Yes We Can" attitude. Recently, a North American server was added to ease server congestion.

Isn't the timing too good? Is it okay to end it just to alleviate congestion? Isn't this an opportunity for development and Yoshida to outdo themselves? I'll say it once again. Overseas forums are currently attracting attention. I think it's a good idea to start going back and forth on forums in each other's countries and communicate. Furthermore, FF14 now has an environment where you can play across borders with DC Teleport.

This is just an example of my flash idea, but healers only gather on one server, do content with only healers, shoot SS, and create SS where the screen is filled with healer jobs in various places. Upload. Isn't there a way to make such a claim? Isn't there an option that would be fun for those doing the action, fun for those watching, and be astounding for the developers and Mr. Yoshida? This is just my personal opinion. I think users of overseas forums should discuss and decide what choice you will make. I will support you no matter what the outcome is.

This has become a very long post. I really wanted to tell you. very sorry.
I hope this post isn't deleted again. Then my thoughts changed to certainty.

[Minali]

I feel that you can do things that cannot be done in Japanese forums. I don't know what other people think, and I don't know if I'm communicating well. However, I would like to send the words "Yes He Will" to everyone in the overseas forums. If I were to express this in the FF14 style, I would be passing synergy from one Japanese person. I can only support them through synergy. And what would you do if you received synergy? Wouldn't you like to do some damage to increase your DPS? I want everyone overseas to have a "Yes We Can" attitude. Recently, a North American server was added to ease server congestion.

Isn't the timing too good? Is it okay to end it just to alleviate congestion? Isn't this an opportunity for development and Yoshida to outdo themselves? I'll say it once again. Overseas forums are currently attracting attention. I think it's a good idea to start going back and forth on forums in each other's countries and communicate. Furthermore, FF14 now has an environment where you can play across borders with DC Teleport.

This is just an example of my flash idea, but healers only gather on one server, do content with only healers, shoot SS, and create SS where the screen is filled with healer jobs in various places. Upload. Isn't there a way to make such a claim? Isn't there an option that would be fun for those doing the action, fun for those watching, and be astounding for the developers and Mr. Yoshida? This is just my personal opinion. I think users of overseas forums should discuss and decide what choice you will make. I will support you no matter what the outcome is.

This has become a very long post. I really wanted to tell you. very sorry.
I hope this post isn't deleted again. Then my thoughts changed to certainty.

Thank you very much for your long post and many explanations about Japanese culture and Japanese point of view in this discussion! I can see why our part of the forum might seem odd and "wild" to yours, both due to the lack of moderation but also because actions like engaging in demonstrations or a strike are very common, even vital in our cultures in real life. So calling for a strike or boycott online might seem a bit drastic still, but not as irritating and negative as for you, I could imagine. (I certainly would appreciate more active moderation here though, a lot of people are hesitant to give feedback in here because of this. Due to this important opinions are not heard and I fear this might not be good for the game, when many people cannot participate. There are no other good ways to give feedback after all.)

I appreciate you and others coming over here, and you accepting our voices in the Japanese part as well, even though we both have to use a translator. Often people in the English part have the impression, only feedback from Japanese players is being heard, while Japanese players think they are being ignored and us people overseas are getting all attention. In my opinion, if we work together and share ideas instead of being jealous of each other, we can have a much better discussion and get more insight into each other. Of course, if this achieves more, if the devs react more to it, this remains to be seen. I remember there being a thread in Japanese and one in English asking for a Spanish localization, but Yoshida only knows about them, because a Spanish journalist showed it to him on the media tour. However, the question for Spanish localization has more "weight" to it, in a way, when you can show it's a dream shared by many many players and not just this one journalist. In my opinion it can't hurt to connect and share our ideas with each other and spreading the word about whatever meets our fancy in FFXIV. And sometimes our ideas are not that different. Our feedback about the benchmark was very similar to yours. We might have more in common than some people might think.

Regarding the point of team composition though, I am not sure I agree. It can be very exciting to tackle content in unusual combinations with others. I remember people doing an all Summoner game of the first Endwalker Alliance Raid. It looked like a lot of fun and very chaotic with all the visual effects. However, from what I understand, a part of the fun is fighting battles in a way they were not originally supposed to. Planning how to compensate the lack of a healer, a tank or a DPS and then having to work hard to achieve it, that is - in my opinion - one interesting point and challenge in all this. However, if an unusual team composition works a lot better then the average, wouldn't this take the challenge away from this idea? The team in the media tour was a group of very good players, but from what I heard they had many disadvantages and weren't really trying to outsmart the game or anything.
Wouldn't this also hurt queue time, if more people make their own private groups instead of Duty Finder for their daily roulette, because they would want to play without a healer for saving time? (Provided a lot of people would actually do this, of course.)

That said, I agree that it is in general nice the game isn't designed so strict, unusual compositions would be impossible for everything. I could imagine the developers have this in mind when they create duties. However, in my opinion the "standard" normal version should be fun as well and have need for all roles, not only when things go awry a lot and the group need extra healing to cover for this.

Thank you again for joining this discussion. ^^

[KikiTia]

I'm sorry, but this part is unacceptable. You said you're sure they hear the feedback, but the feedback has been given since pre-launch of Shadowbringers, that's all the way back in 2019. They've had 5 whole years to acknowledge the feedback given and work to change anything at all, and now they say "Wait until 8.0"?

Their workflow wouldn't be disrupted if they actually built upon the base of the Shadowbringers kit like they said they would instead of leaving every healer to stagnate until their identities are slowly washed away.

Yeah and at least two of those years were spent dealing with the COVID pandemic. You know, when they had to restructure their entire work system to meet deadlines and safety protocols, moving professional equipment into homes, communicating over text and call, all the while dealing with a surprise influx of WoW players that strained the servers to their limit and concluding a story 10 years in the making, while also starting to think about the game's direction in the next 10 years. They're human beings, not vending machines, have some respect. At least we got any acknowledgement at all, there's many teams who'd ignore the issue til people gave up and stopped trying to change it.

[Aravell]

Yeah and at least two of those years were spent dealing with the COVID pandemic. You know, when they had to restructure their entire work system to meet deadlines and safety protocols, moving professional equipment into homes, communicating over text and call, all the while dealing with a surprise influx of WoW players that strained the servers to their limit and concluding a story 10 years in the making, while also starting to think about the game's direction in the next 10 years. They're human beings, not vending machines, have some respect. At least we got any acknowledgement at all, there's many teams who'd ignore the issue til people gave up and stopped trying to change it.

Where did I say they're vending machines? Where did I disrespect the developers directly?

I'm saying that the excuse is unacceptable. So COVID took 2 years, what about the other 3? The whole pandemic thing has settled down throughout Endwalker, so why weren't they thinking about the future of the jobs during the time they thought about the future of the game? All of these are valid questions and 3 years is still a very long time, I don't think they were so busy that they couldn't spare a single thought for job evolution.

I don't think they should be given free credit for only potentially resolving an issue 7 years after it was raised, other companies being more deaf to feedback doesn't make that any better.

[KikiTia]

Where did I say they're vending machines? Where did I disrespect the developers directly?

I'm saying that the excuse is unacceptable. So COVID took 2 years, what about the other 3? The whole pandemic thing has settled down throughout Endwalker, so why weren't they thinking about the future of the jobs during the time they thought about the future of the game? 3 years is still a very long time and I don't think they were so busy that they couldn't spare a single thought for job evolution.

I don't think they should be given free credit for only potentially resolving an issue 7 years after it was raised, other companies being more deaf to feedback doesn't make that any better.

3 years to build and sustain an expansion of comparable size to actual RPGs which have had over double that development time. All the while, bug testing, new raids, new dungeons, new cutscenes, on a clockwork schedule that they can't afford to miss. They have to pick and choose what they resolve because they can never stop building the game. If they have any major revisions or critical problems halfway into development that completely derails their schedule. Either they have huge delays which leads to content drought or half-baked gameplay, both of which will cost them players. They probably don't commit to a change until they know they are fully ready to go through with it, and class balance can get broken extremely easily. We are lucky they play mostly the same and don't have a situation like WoW has had in the past where some builds were so overpowered they'd break the game outright because nobody had checked it before launch. Besides which, coding is a monster, and on a strict deadline with spaghetti code it's even worse.

My point being, I believe they have legitimate reasons for putting off healer changes as long as they have. Games are already hard to make successful without the demands of the industry, and putting an active, non-negotiable timeline on that means nothing short of excellent planning, judgement, and determination will get it to the 10-year mark. They have a plethora of other issues to deal with besides healer balance, they've at least made an effort to keep everything playable. Have some faith and some patience, they'll deliver what we're asking for. They said they wouldn't give us male Viera or female Hrothgar, and here we are with both and a graphical overhaul on top of it. They just needed time to do it right, like they probably do now. But a strike would just create chaos and in the end there'd probably be more issues than got solved. We may pay for the game but we can't control the development process, we have to trust they know what they're doing and that they haven't forgotten us.