#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Jeeqbit]

Initially, I was concerned about stressing healers, as a tank. But then I thought about it for a few seconds.

Why would someone play a healer if they don't want to heal?

Why would someone play a healer not expecting stress?

If they weren't ready for that, wouldn't they pick a DPS? (they could pick a tank but almost every new player seems to have anxiety with tanking)

And also my experience, as a tank, is that no sprout healer has struggled to heal my big pulls prior to us having these execessive tank heals.

And big pulls aren't even required - that's why single pulls exist, for people who want low stress.

[KisaiTenshi]

Initially, I was concerned about stressing healers, as a tank. But then I thought about it for a few seconds.

Why would someone play a healer if they don't want to heal?

Because people "Green DPS" so they get fast queues rather than to actually heal. Using self-heal as a tank is basically telling the healer they aren't doing their job.

Why would someone play a healer not expecting stress?

If they weren't ready for that, wouldn't they pick a DPS? (they could pick a tank but almost every new player seems to have anxiety with tanking)

And also my experience, as a tank, is that no sprout healer has struggled to heal my big pulls prior to us having these execessive tank heals.

And big pulls aren't even required - that's why single pulls exist, for people who want low stress.

Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that. Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.

[Supersnow845]

Because people "Green DPS" so they get fast queues rather than to actually heal. Using self-heal as a tank is basically telling the healer they aren't doing their job.




Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that. Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.

Yes pressing bloodwhetting is definitely the tank silently protesting the healer isn’t healing and not literally the first button they press deleting the need to heal in the first place

[LeiyaAwandah]

Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that. Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.

I don't really see it happen in early ARR content.
I believe most tanks in this range are either a) timid (because of inexperience) or b) experienced enough to know that most other jobs lack AoEs at this level.
Without the party having these AoEs, pulling multiple groups just makes it difficult on sprout healers for little gain.

[Jeeqbit]

Because people "Green DPS" so they get fast queues rather than to actually heal.

I've green DPS'd since ARR. I really mean this - when I picked up Conjurer for the first time in ARR itself and got Cleric Stance, I immediately used it and did DPS when I wasn't healing.

I didn't raid then, I didn't talk to anyone about optimization then, I wasn't even beyond level 32 on Gladiator (since I needed a Conjurer to become Paladin). In fact, I didn't really know what a tank was then; I just liked the shield.

And despite all of that I was perfectly fine doing DPS as a healer whilst actually healing a lot when needed.

The crazy thing is that the healing requirement in lower level dungeons is higher than max level dungeons. How does that even make sense?

Using self-heal as a tank is basically telling the healer they aren't doing their job.

No, it's the tank saying "I want to do your job for you because I can". Because that's what tanks are thinking when they do it. Which raises the question of if they should be able to do a healer's job for them and to what extent.

Big, wall-to-wall pulls are annoying when the tank does not telegraph they are going to do that.

I agree that it's annoying when a tank is not clear and anxiously pulls one pack then suddenly changes their mind to pull two. As for me though, I sprint immediately and I think it is quite clear what I am doing and that I am not hesitating.

Especially for people who just picked up conjurer, and get blindsided in sastasha with a tank who pulls the entire floor and then runs off.

Well Sastasha is one thing. If SE wanted to add walls to it that's fine. It's the first dungeon. But that is no reason for level 90 and level 100 dungeons to be designed as if they are the first dungeon (or to even involve less healing than that).

I could pull a crazy amount in Sastasha but I try to only pull a smaller amount of packs so I don't overwhelm them in their first dungeon, especially if it's a sprout.

[Rolder50]

No, it's the tank saying "I want to do your job for you because I can". Because that's what tanks are thinking when they do it. Which raises the question of if they should be able to do a healer's job for them and to what extent.

I did a little WAR in EW here and there were more then a few times in Expert roulette where the healer would die on a boss and it literally made zero difference.

[EusisLandale]

No, it's the tank saying "I want to do your job for you because I can". Because that's what tanks are thinking when they do it. Which raises the question of if they should be able to do a healer's job for them and to what extent.

Sometimes the tanks don't even say it silently with their skills, as I noted toward the start of this.

A tank not doing their job gets noticed, yes.
Meanwhile I've had more than a few dungeons runs where, upon entry, I get told to not heal. First couple times it happened, I just sat there and watched, hoping for the tank to hit the ground. They never did. All I did was follow behind the group doing nothing, and nobody noticed anything out of the ordinary.

Honestly, those were some of the most humiliating dungeons I've ever been in. To basically be told I'm not needed and have it be proven quite literally true.

[JanineBeckinsale]

No, it's the tank saying "I want to do your job for you because I can". Because that's what tanks are thinking when they do it.

I can't speak for all Tank players (and I hope you'll forgive my choice of words) but that's an utterly paranoiac and insane way of thinking. Unless you weren't serious of course.

Tanks have tools to reduce the amount of damage they take and thus their chances of dying (and wiping the group), they simply use them, trying to be as efficient for the group as they can be (as all party members should).

Now, I can agree that some of these tools are borderline overpowered, if not completely, but I very much doubt the whole "Tanks using cooldowns is a way to assert dominance on puny weak useless healers."

[Jeeqbit]

I can't speak for all Tank players (and I hope you'll forgive my choice of words) but that's an utterly paranoiac and insane way of thinking.

I disagree. You, as the tank, have a heal. Why not use it? It's logical to use your kit. But doing so removes the need for the healer. And also makes it so you don't need to rely on healers that might not be as good. Finally, it reaches a point where, when they do heal, it's annoying.

For example, if you are a Warrior and a Scholar puts Excogitation on you, it's like why waste DPS on me? And it doesn't activate at all. Or a WHM that uses Benediction when I just use Equilibrium or Bloodwhetting. It gets to the point of feeling annoying because you're doing that job yourself.

But objectively speaking, a tank shouldn't be feeling like they can heal that much over the healer to begin with.

[JanineBeckinsale]

I disagree. You, as the tank, have a heal. Why not use it? It's logical to use your kit. But doing so removes the need for the healer. And also makes it so you don't need to rely on healers that might not be as good. Finally, it reaches a point where, when they do heal, it's annoying.

Then that's a completely different thing. The blame, if you want to put one on someone, is to be put on the balance/design team, not on the players who are just using their tools.

For example, if you are a Warrior and a Scholar puts Excogitation on you, it's like why waste DPS on me? And it doesn't activate at all. Or a WHM that uses Benediction when I just use Equilibrium or Bloodwhetting. It gets to the point of feeling annoying because you're doing that job yourself.

If I'm tanking and see an Excog on me, all I'm thinking is that I'm paired with a smart healer and that I can save my cooldowns for a later time as I want to take advantage of that Excog proc.

And if I'm WHM I just need to be smart about my Bene and be prepared to use it when I know my WAR doesn't have their BW available.