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  1. 06-10-2024 01:24 PM

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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica_VS View Post
    Since you're leading this effort, you may wish to encourage supporters to treat curious readers of this thread with kindness.

    That would engender more additional supporters than rude responses would.
    Of course, I implore that everyone treats each other respectfully. While I have kept a close eye on this thread, it has grown to where I can miss some comments or less than amicable exchanges between posters. For the most part, though, the majority of the hostility I see has come from naysayers who have nothing better to do other than troll, ridicule, and mock the playerbase's healer mains, or those who support them. We're made of sterner stuff, though. We would need to be to still be here.
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica_VS View Post
    How many people do you think are involved in this? There are 139 upvotes so far.
    You and others love to say the forum is a miniscule amount of the playerbase. Do we know for sure how many players outside of the forum also are quitting the healer role entirely and are choosing to clog the other role queues while being complete unaware of whats happening here?

    We don't, you don't either, so don't try and pretend that everyone outside of the forums is happy.
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  4. 06-10-2024 12:40 PM

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    Celes Bradford
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    Paladin Lv 100
    There was nothing rude in the response. Just a reality check. You don't know what you don't know.
    Telling the truth is not being rude.
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    Foot Liquor
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by rxantos View Post
    There was nothing rude in the response. Just a reality check. You don't know what you don't know.
    Telling the truth is not being rude.
    What truth? The poster just asked about how widespread the movement was, not to the efficacy of the movement or positions taken? That's not telling the truth to respond with a red herring, that's just an argumentative fallacy.
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  7. 06-10-2024 12:49 PM

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    Pathetic Loser
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Jessica_VS View Post
    Errr . . . What is this response? Sheesh. I was just asking for your thoughts on the spread so far. There's no need to be rude.
    In their defence, it's a little difficult to judge tone entirely through text, and healer mains are kinda used to concern trolling and smug derision as the first response to any complaints they offer. It's not entirely unfair to assume someone asking a question like that isn't meaning it like 'lmao you actually think this is gonna have an effect' or 'do you seriously think with these numbers you actually matter'. With how tightly policed speech is on the ff14 forums and in game, you see people get really good at being rude without making it obvious.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    You and others love to say the forum is a miniscule amount of the playerbase. Do we know for sure how many players outside of the forum also are quitting the healer role entirely and are choosing to clog the other role queues while being complete unaware of whats happening here?

    We don't, you don't either, so don't try and pretend that everyone outside of the forums is happy.
    My bet is on the latter. The average XIV player nowadays is basically just a job tourist, so they will try out whatever the new flashy jobs are, which happen to be two dps.
    Of course you will have some Sylphies who have always been cure bots and will always be cure bots, but that just means on top of long queues you will then probably also have an awful dungeon experience because despite being "healers only heal"-mains, Sylphies aren't exactly known to be good at their job.



    Quote Originally Posted by SweetPete View Post
    The expansion when healers got gutted. Sch lots all its dots, Astro lost their card variety, Whm lost aero 3. Shadowbringers screwed healers big time.
    I said it before and I'll say it again, Shadowbringers screwed everyone big time, most just didn't realize it. It was the expansion that started this entire atrocious new job and combat design direction, Endwalker just doubled down on it.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 06-10-2024 at 01:04 PM.

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    Samurai Lv 90
    Healing changes don't bother me as long as Savage/Ultimates and savage crits reflect the tools on hand and availability. I would like another dps tool or two for weave or engagement, but I'd prefer if difficulty and challenge got put into encounter design first and then trickle out to job identity stuff personally.
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