#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[TheDruidOcelot]

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here's the thing. we're going on 6 years of bad healer gameplay, and healers BLEEDING numbers slowly and steadily throughout those years.

if people actually wanted to pick up healer, at this point, they would have.

there was a tiny jump in EW with sage, that rapidly declined. farther down than pre-ew numbers.

If enough people thought healers were fine enough to play healer themselves, they already would be.

but there's not.

the gameplay isn't fun, there's no incentive to play them (ex- tank specific mounts & titles), and i really TRULY doubt that anyone who already didn't want to play a healer will suddenly want to play healer.

we've had healer instant queues for SIX YEARS. If SAM mains wanted to try healer, they could have. and might have. and didn't stick with it.

we've had this dialogue ongoing for years, on the forums, on other sites, in game... for over half a decade now. nobody plays healer who doesn't want to play a healer.

i don't think dps mains will put their money where your mouth is. They haven't shown any indication in YEARS that they would ever stick with healing, or playing healers except to get their "got everything to cap" achievement.

(and i WILL find it funny if dps mains pick up a healer class, realize how painfully boring it is to play and immediately drop it, proving my point. same goes with people flooding into trusts, )

[Jojoya]

here's the thing. we're going on 6 years of bad healer gameplay, and healers BLEEDING numbers slowly and steadily throughout those years.

if people actually wanted to pick up healer, at this point, they would have.

there was a tiny jump in EW with sage, that rapidly declined. farther down than pre-ew numbers.

If enough people thought healers were fine enough to play healer themselves, they already would be.

but there's not.

the gameplay isn't fun, there's no incentive to play them (ex- tank specific mounts & titles), and i really TRULY doubt that anyone who already didn't want to play a healer will suddenly want to play healer.

we've had healer instant queues for SIX YEARS. If SAM mains wanted to try healer, they could have. and might have. and didn't stick with it.

we've had this dialogue ongoing for years, on the forums, on other sites, in game... for over half a decade now. nobody plays healer who doesn't want to play a healer.

i don't think dps mains will put their money where your mouth is.

How do you know they haven't picked up healer already?

An estimated 24% of players have A Life of Adventure V completed, according to FFXIV Collect.
38% have a level 90 AST.
44% have a level 90 SGE.
46% have a level 90 CNJ (WHM).
51% have a level 90 ACN (SMN/SCH).

If it comes to making a choice between sitting around doing nothing because there aren't enough healers and switching to a healer job so they can get content done, most will probably pick playing healer so their time isn't being wasted. Assuming they don't have a solid group of friends that don't even need a healer to clear dungeons, of course.

Self interest is going to win out over someone else's problem when it's just a game. But they're also going to remember you were trying to make problems for them when you choose to be very vocal and public about it.

[TheDruidOcelot]

How do you know they haven't picked up healer already?

An estimated 24% of players have A Life of Adventure V completed, according to FFXIV Collect.
38% have a level 90 AST.
44% have a level 90 SGE.
46% have a level 90 CNJ (WHM).
51% have a level 90 ACN (SMN/SCH).

If it comes to making a choice between sitting around doing nothing because there aren't enough healers and switching to a healer job so they can get content done, most will probably pick playing healer so their time isn't being wasted. Assuming they don't have a solid group of friends that don't even need a healer to clear dungeons, of course.

Self interest is going to win out over someone else's problem when it's just a game. But they're also going to remember you were trying to make problems for them when you choose to be very vocal and public about it.

bless your heart.
sweet pea, if you PERSONALLY stick out maining a healing class (of your choice) throughout dawntrail and the 7.x patches just to spite me specifically, i will applaud you. because that'd be really cute tbh. and trust me, if i wanted to be rude, i would be.

[Jojoya]

if people REALLY. really thought this wasn't going to do anything they wouldn't be constantly popping in here and crying at us to not do it.

Or maybe we're popping in here because we want things to change but see the strike itself as wasted effort.

bless your heart.
sweet pea, if you PERSONALLY stick out maining a healing class (of your choice) throughout dawntrail and the 7.x patches just to spite me specifically, i will applaud you. because that'd be really cute tbh. and trust me, if i wanted to be rude, i would be.

I've been maining healers in MMORPGs since 2008. I'll still be healing when 8.0 rolls around assuming I don't die or end up with a disability that prevents me from playing.

I'm not out to spite anyone. I'm just saying that a strike isn't going to accomplish what you hope it will.

Have fun doing whatever it is you end up doing in Dawntrail.

[LyraShu]

How do you know they haven't picked up healer already?

An estimated 24% of players have A Life of Adventure V completed, according to FFXIV Collect.

If it comes to making a choice between sitting around doing nothing because there aren't enough healers and switching to a healer job so they can get content done, most will probably pick playing healer so their time isn't being wasted. Assuming they don't have a solid group of friends that don't even need a healer to clear dungeons, of course.

Self interest is going to win out over someone else's problem when it's just a game. But they're also going to remember you were trying to make problems for them when you choose to be very vocal and public about it.

Do we not get to choose the role we play? How about this then, I am NOT a healer main starting the 14th nor am I queuing for a job I find BORING. I am now becoming one of the "them", scary~~~ Oh wellz, IF the queues are largely sees a large impact, I will be in the boat the all of "them".

I mean really, we ALL get the jobs to choose from. Why are we the crazy ones for choosing something else and going to the forums to voice opinions/find like minds when that is where we are directed? It's not a "them", its not an "us". This is players talking about a role. We are WoL's that are tired of healing. Like it or don't, that is what this is. If it dies, then it dies and we all move to something we have fun with. If it lives, then it lives for reasons that the player base came together because we have a like mind.

Thanks for the laughs though. Between this person's posts and and a couple others, I now get some funny reading material.

[Sesera]

here's the thing. we're going on 6 years of bad healer gameplay, and healers BLEEDING numbers slowly and steadily throughout those years.

if people actually wanted to pick up healer, at this point, they would have.

there was a tiny jump in EW with sage, that rapidly declined. farther down than pre-ew numbers.

If enough people thought healers were fine enough to play healer themselves, they already would be.

but there's not.

the gameplay isn't fun, there's no incentive to play them (ex- tank specific mounts & titles), and i really TRULY doubt that anyone who already didn't want to play a healer will suddenly want to play healer.

we've had healer instant queues for SIX YEARS. If SAM mains wanted to try healer, they could have. and might have. and didn't stick with it.

we've had this dialogue ongoing for years, on the forums, on other sites, in game... for over half a decade now. nobody plays healer who doesn't want to play a healer.

i don't think dps mains will put their money where your mouth is.

If healer were leaving/stop playing healer as much as you think SE would have done something already.

More people disliked HW healer than current healer.

Remember the strike back in ShB because only 1 dps button? Yep nothing changed.

Most healer are casual who are happy if nobody dies even if warrior self healing helped more than they did.

Most healer are casual who are glad them dieing by failing a mechanic doesn't always lead to wipe and most people are also glad they didn't wipe because someone else mistake.

It doesn't matter how much page this thread has. It doesn't matter how much CC are capitalizing on your strike because they don't have anything better to show their viewer. Because you can't compromise since what you want and what they want is mutually exclusive.

You can accept it and either keep playing healer the way it is, move on to another game that suits you better or try dps/tank.

[TheDruidOcelot]

If healer were leaving/stop playing healer as much as you think SE would have done something already.

More people disliked HW healer than current healer.

Remember the strike back in ShB because only 1 dps button? Yep nothing changed.

Most healer are casual who are happy if nobody dies even if warrior self healing helped more than they did.

Most healer are casual who are glad them dieing by failing a mechanic doesn't always lead to wipe and most people are also glad they didn't wipe because someone else mistake.

It doesn't matter how much page this thread has. It doesn't matter how much CC are capitalizing on your strike because they don't have anything better to show their viewer. Because you can't compromise since what you want and what they want is mutually exclusive.

You can accept it and either keep playing healer the way it is, move on to another game that suits you better or try dps/tank.

girliepop, what do you think them flattening healers' toolkits was in shb? that was an attempt to increase healer numbers. that uh. didn't really work out for them so well.

and look. i just wanna have fun in a game, princess. healers being boring as sittin in a church service isn't fun for me. i'm glad you're having fun. i hope you are! i hope you love the game and that it never stops being fun for you.

shouldn't you want other people to be able to enjoy the game too?

or does other people also being able to have fun take away yours?

[OliviaLugria]

If healer were leaving/stop playing healer as much as you think SE would have done something already.

More people disliked HW healer than current healer.

Remember the strike back in ShB because only 1 dps button? Yep nothing changed.

Most healer are casual who are happy if nobody dies even if warrior self healing helped more than they did.

Most healer are casual who are glad them dieing by failing a mechanic doesn't always lead to wipe and most people are also glad they didn't wipe because someone else mistake.

It doesn't matter how much page this thread has. It doesn't matter how much CC are capitalizing on your strike because they don't have anything better to show their viewer. Because you can't compromise since what you want and what they want is mutually exclusive.

You can accept it and either keep playing healer the way it is, move on to another game that suits you better or try dps/tank.

or like... maybe make one healer that will appeal to a certain kind of player, and another healer that would appeal to another and so on and so forth. They have 4 healers. Make one play like HW another like SB, and another like ShB and everyone is happy.

[Local_Custard]

If healer were leaving/stop playing healer as much as you think SE would have done something already.

More people disliked HW healer than current healer.

Remember the strike back in ShB because only 1 dps button? Yep nothing changed.

Most healer are casual who are happy if nobody dies even if warrior self healing helped more than they did.

Most healer are casual who are glad them dieing by failing a mechanic doesn't always lead to wipe and most people are also glad they didn't wipe because someone else mistake.

It doesn't matter how much page this thread has. It doesn't matter how much CC are capitalizing on your strike because they don't have anything better to show their viewer. Because you can't compromise since what you want and what they want is mutually exclusive.

You can accept it and either keep playing healer the way it is, move on to another game that suits you better or try dps/tank.

Casual healer here: I am not happy about the state of healers. Please do not speak for us.
Other people have talked about the problem better than I could so I will say this instead: Would you be okay if dancer's dance steps only had 1 step and you were only given 1 button to attack? No? Then why are healers allowed to be in this condition? Is it because it is convenient for you to not care? Easier for you to simply push people down because you would rather not think about what it is like playing this role?
Do you think healers are in an acceptable state? Are you okay with healers only having 1 button to press because no one is taking enough damage and tanks effectively can heal themself?
You know just as well as I do the game would fall apart if all healers stopped playing. Most players already have given up on healer because it is the worst role in the game. Maybe you don't notice because it has been bad for a while so you are used to it. Change is scary, I know. But sometimes change is needed for things to get better.

[Sesera]

Casual healer here: I am not happy about the state of healers. Please do not speak for us.
Other people have talked about the problem better than I could so I will say this instead: Would you be okay if dancer's dance steps only had 1 step and you were only given 1 button to attack? No? Then why are healers allowed to be in this condition? Is it because it is convenient for you to not care? Easier for you to simply push people down because you would rather not think about what it is like playing this role?
Do you think healers are in an acceptable state? Are you okay with healers only having 1 button to press because no one is taking enough damage and tanks effectively can heal themself?
You know just as well as I do the game would fall apart if all healers stopped playing. Most players already have given up on healer because it is the worst role in the game. Maybe you don't notice because it has been bad for a while so you are used to it. Change is scary, I know. But sometimes change is needed for things to get better.

I'm going to say it again in capslock so maybe you can read it better.

NOBODY WANTS WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR AND WHEN I SAY NODODY I MEAN THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE PLAYING THE GAME OTHERWISE SE WOULD HAVE KEPT HW HEALER OR REVERT THE CHANGE YEARS AGO.

Got it? Or do I need to listen to another "I'm different so you are wrong"?