#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Bloody_Kenny]

they want us to shut up and stay silent, bored, and miserable. every single thread they (jojoya specifically) go into and see ANY Criticism of design choices in the game boils down to "shut up and take it".

My dude, I think you taking it a little bit too far. Nowhere Jojoya says we should "shut up and take it". If anything, one of their points is actually the opposite.

1) I can see the reason behind the idea that framing whatever happens here as a "strike" will alienate potential sympathizers from the cause. Cause, if a shortage of healers indeed happens, players will not look deeper into the source of the strike, they will blame the strike itself. We already see that with some people coming now and then who wish this all very fail. And tho I understand the position, I think the time to frame this is all civil discussion, a plea or smth is long past. If something as dramatic and controversial as a "strike" is needed to bring attention, then so should it be.

2) The second point I see in Jojoya's messages is that we need to be harsher with our means, not just limit ith no healers for DF/PF, but even for friend and static groups. And I can see the efficiency in that, but I think it's too much to ask of the players. We are all here to have fun after all. And raiding or playing with friends still brings so degree of joy, even for healers.

I think you shouldn't take it this seriously, it is not some "us versus them" war or rebellion or anything. It's more like "We encourage those who dislike the current healer to join us, so together we can be heard", if that makes sense.

[Moomba33]

Not a main healer here, but I'm wishing you guys luck in getting some attention and a response from SE.
I have a friend who played through the last few expansions on AST since it was their favourite class, and all the solo duties were a tedious experience for them. Healers really need better gameplay for when there isn't any healing to do.

[TheDruidOcelot]

My dude, I think you taking it a little bit too far. Nowhere Jojoya says we should "shut up and take it". If anything, one of their points is actually the opposite.

1) I can see the reason behind the idea that framing whatever happens here as a "strike" will alienate potential sympathizers from the cause. Cause, if a shortage of healers indeed happens, players will not look deeper into the source of the strike, they will blame the strike itself. We already see that with some people coming now and then who wish this all very fail. And tho I understand the position, I think the time to frame this is all civil discussion, a plea or smth is long past. If something as dramatic and controversial as a "strike" is needed to bring attention, then so should it be.

2) The second point I see in Jojoya's messages is that we need to be harsher with our means, not just limit ith no healers for DF/PF, but even for friend and static groups. And I can see the efficiency in that, but I think it's too much to ask of the players. We are all here to have fun after all. And raiding or playing with friends still brings so degree of joy, even for healers.

I think you shouldn't take it this seriously, it is not some "us versus them" war or rebellion or anything. It's more like "We encourage those who dislike the current healer to join us, so together we can be heard", if that makes sense.

i was referring to their overall attitude through every thread i've seen them in in the forums.

people talking about ANYTHING critically or unhappily "just wait and see", "why are you talking about this", "stop talking about it"

like. it does boil down to "shut up and take it" once you see their overall activity for what it is.

and I'm not making exceptions for friends/family/static lol.

I'm fully switching to an alt that mains reaper just cause i REALLY don't wanna touch my healer main until something is done about the way healers play.

kinda funny that you saw 1-2 people saying they might still do healers with pre-mades/statics that aren't in roulettes and applied that to... everyone in here? weird. maybe avoid generalizing everyone, okay sweet pea?

[Evergrey]

2) The second point I see in Jojoya's messages is that we need to be harsher with our means, not just limit ith no healers for DF/PF, but even for friend and static groups. And I can see the efficiency in that, but I think it's too much to ask of the players. We are all here to have fun after all. And raiding or playing with friends still brings so degree of joy, even for healers.

This. In real life, people who ignore a strike due to reasons they are pretty much shunned upon by the others who commit to the strike completely.
If you want a strike, do it 100%. Don't make expections for friends and such.
That just really looks bad.

[Asari5]

no healers in statics? so you wanna say we prog savage without healer?

[Kayokane]

This. In real life, people who ignore a strike due to reasons they are pretty much shunned upon by the others who commit to the strike completely.
If you want a strike, do it 100%. Don't make expections for friends and such.
That just really looks bad.

In real life strikes are well formed and voted on by a super majority, sometimes even requiring a near unanimity, of the workers considering the strike, whereas here it can hardly even be considered a simple majority, there is a very considerable silent majority of healers who have neither indicated nor refuted their support for the issues, thus we can't assume a majority and attack those who are against the strike.

by the same logic, we who are against the strike are generally being far too aggressive in attacking those who do support the strike, though there is the issue where people feel the need to use hostile rhetoric just to have their points even considered or addressed by other side.

[Reinha]

Am I correct in understanding that the problem was not only about the way the healer attacked, but also about the skills that the tank.dps had and the balance between them?

Yes. Those two are the main problems. We want at least one problem fixed. If both get fixed, that would be even better.

If healers had 5-10 damage buttons, it would be more interesting to play most content as a healer now that there isn't much need to heal.

Or if healers kept the same damage buttons but there were more opportunities to heal, we would get to actually use all the healing spells we have and not be pressing the same damage spell repeatedly. Tank and dps jobs would need their heals nerfed or removed so that they can't heal all the damage.

[Bright-Flower]

This. In real life, people who ignore a strike due to reasons they are pretty much shunned upon by the others who commit to the strike completely.
If you want a strike, do it 100%. Don't make expections for friends and such.
That just really looks bad.

I wouldn't really look at th is 1 to 1. For starters, this is a video game not workers striking for fair pay and safer working conditions etc. Nobody should be shunned or bullied for deciding to queue as a white mage, or to help their friends get through a story trial etc.

Second, there's no picket line to clearly and publically see people crossing it anyway. So who's even going to know unless people are constantly checking their friends lists and policing each other based on who's in what duty as what job etc.

I"m not saying not to do a healer strike. If people want to unsub or just not queue as healer to protest, go right on ahead. That's perfectly fair. But I wouldn't really expect the social aspects of this to play out like a real world strike at all.

[Bloody_Kenny]

no healers in statics? so you wanna say we prog savage without healer?

In a balanced trinity, that would be impossible... But, we are in FFXIV, and knowing what those WAR mains can do... Well...

If anyone will manage to clear week 1 without Healers the first tier of Arcadion, this will further proof to all naysayers that Healer role is completely messed up.

[Evergrey]

In real life strikes are well formed and voted on by a super majority, sometimes even requiring a near unanimity, of the workers considering the strike, whereas here it can hardly even be considered a simple majority, there is a very considerable silent majority of healers who have neither indicated nor refuted their support for the issues, thus we can't assume a majority and attack those who are against the strike.

by the same logic, we who are against the strike are generally being far too aggressive in attacking those who do support the strike, though there is the issue where people feel the need to use hostile rhetoric just to have their points even considered or addressed by other side.

True on both points.
Seconds point is perhaps not as negative one as one might see it, but in fact proof that it's more "real" than not.
A rl strike has the effect that it'll effect those outside of it, building pressure for the company to do something about it before they lose too much because of it.
So that people are upset about the strike, in good or bad, isn't it something that a striker wants to see?