#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Neoyoshi]

I want DPS players to have to play healer and suffer what we do.

I don't know if that's the right type of attitude to have about a core problem that really seems to be about people simply losing enjoyment; at least I think that's what's going on here.

I know I'm out of my depth in this conversation, but I do know what I'm capable of, and I'm not a gamer who has the multitasking proficiencies a healer requires. I know this because I've tried it before years ago in World of Warcraft, and I was terrible at it.
A person should play what they enjoy and have fun with, not what they think the game or others require of them, and someone who is having fun with their job in FFXIV is very likely going to be good at it.

Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
People who heal in this game are obviously good at it, which means they are also enjoying it, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves through that type of stress and anxiety, and i try to always keep this in mind when i'm in a dungeon, i always try to stay out of damage as much as possible, i try to stay within the healers range as much as possible, and i try my best to always give them commendations. I do what I can to not take for granted the effort others are putting into their duties.

So I don't think looking for others to experience the unique situations, anxieties and hurdles of another is going to communicate whatever 'this' whole thread discussion is really about, which... I'm not sure it's even going to materialize in-game, and if it does, i'm not sure i'll see it, but i have no desire to be dismissive of it, i just don't know what this is really going to accomplish other than annoy people.

[Zell1226]

Every single savage this expansion was solo healed on patch, TOP was no healer healed on patch, they have gone far too far with healers.

I knew I'd run into this argument, I should have prepped a response beforehand. Are you aware of the amount of skill it takes for a group of people to do those achievements? It is not a simple feat to no healer an ultimate, and just because it's possible does not mean your job is worthless. These people are in the 1% of the 1%. Would you trust 7 other players to be able to perform on that level? I sure wouldn't. There are a ton of challenges that currently exist that invalidate certain things. I'm pretty sure there are videos of all tank runs for every single ultimate. Does that mean DPS are equally as useless now? There is a video for a 6 man ucob run and one with a 130+ death run as well. I challenge you to create groups with no healers both now and in Dawntrail and be successful quickly. You might be able to get it done with enough time, but again it reiterates the point that you and your role are not useless. Stop selling yourself short.

[NanaWiloh]

I don't know if that's the right type of attitude to have about a core problem that really seems to be about people simply losing enjoyment; at least I think that's what's going on here.

I know I'm out of my depth in this conversation, but I do know what I'm capable of, and I'm not a gamer who has the multitasking proficiencies a healer requires. I know this because I've tried it before years ago in World of Warcraft, and I was terrible at it.
A person should play what they enjoy and have fun with, not what they think the game or others require of them, and someone who is having fun with their job in FFXIV is very likely going to be good at it.

Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.
People who heal in this game are obviously good at it, which means they are also enjoying it, otherwise they wouldn't put themselves through that type of stress and anxiety, and i try to always keep this in mind when i'm in a dungeon, i always try to stay out of damage as much as possible, i try to stay within the healers range as much as possible, and i try my best to always give them commendations. I do what I can to not take for granted the effort others are putting into their duties.

So I don't think looking for others to experience the unique situations, anxieties and hurdles of another is going to communicate whatever 'this' whole thread discussion is really about, which... I'm not sure it's even going to materialize in-game, and if it does, i'm not sure i'll see it, but i have no desire to be dismissive of it, i just don't know what this is really going to accomplish other than annoy people.

I have played a healer since ARR it can be stressful. Even worse if your in a group with one or more hopless souls who die if a mob sneezes on them. Some just walk towards death thinking it will them give a hug and a pat on the back.

[Rehayem]

I knew I'd run into this argument, I should have prepped a response beforehand. Are you aware of the amount of skill it takes for a group of people to do those achievements? It is not a simple feat to no healer an ultimate, and just because it's possible does not mean your job is worthless. These people are in the 1% of the 1%. Would you trust 7 other players to be able to perform on that level? I sure wouldn't. There are a ton of challenges that currently exist that invalidate certain things. I'm pretty sure there are videos of all tank runs for every single ultimate. Does that mean DPS are equally as useless now? There is a video for a 6 man ucob run and one with a 130+ death run as well. I challenge you to create groups with no healers both now and in Dawntrail and be successful quickly. You might be able to get it done with enough time, but again it reiterates the point that you and your role are not useless. Stop selling yourself short.

The possibility to clear savage or ultimate without healer is a minority, yes, but at the end of the day it shouldn't be possible either. It's been already showcased in the mediatour run that having a healer is actually unnecessary because tanks are completely overpowered. Do you not see the issue here? Or are you going to keep spewing nonsense how it's just this or that or how not everyone can do that.

The point is, this shouldn't be possible, in any content, period; be it savage or ultimate or any dungeon run. You don't need a healer for DT if you have a couple of friends to premade for dungeon MSQ runs. Healer role is just there to fill queue times for Duty Finder, the role is completely obsolete, how hard is this to understand?

[Zell1226]

The possibility to clear savage or ultimate without healer is a minority, yes, but at the end of the day it shouldn't be possible either. It's been already showcased in the mediatour run that having a healer is actually unnecessary because tanks are completely overpowered. Do you not see the issue here? Or are you going to keep spewing nonsense how it's just this or that or how not everyone can do that.

The point is, this shouldn't be possible, in any content, period; be it savage or ultimate or any dungeon run. You don't need a healer for DT if you have a couple of friends to premade for dungeon MSQ runs. Healer role is just there to fill queue times for Duty Finder, the role is completely obsolete, how hard is this to understand?

You can keep calling what I say nonsense, but you realize people have been doing no healer dungeon runs since quite literally ARR (thanks WAR). Taking that as a sign that your role is completely dead is the nonsense part, if you want to make that argument, you were always useless I suppose. You are clearly overreacting, and probably need to chill.

[Saraide]

Then the the strike would pointless as they would be replacing all the healers that drop the role. So SE would not have to bother fixing healers cause all those complaining would no longer matter cause their dps now.

DPS mains trying out healer on a large scale? I would welcome that. I predict they would find it quite boring and/or unfun however.

[EusisLandale]

Healing does not look fun to me, it looks like busy work, it looks stressful, and I don't pay 36 bucks(sub+all retainers+premium app) a month on this game to stress myself out.

It's honestly a lot less than you would think, especially at a casual level. Just like a tank you never stack mitigations outside of rare situations, and the only time you generally have to worry about someone else is if they've dome something stupid and a single button will usually fix it.
Sage in the average dungeon trash pull, for example, will have you just rotate Kerachole, Taurochole+Physis if needed, Kerachole and maybe Holos if the group's DPS is slow. You use one of Haima or Panhaima, then the other on the next double pull. Then you just spam Dyskrasia, occasionally hitting Phelgma as it comes off CD.
On the bosses you just Kerachole or Holos at the same points you'd use whatever tank group mitigation you have, then follow up with Ixochole, Physis, or Pneuma to top people off. Then you just spam Dosis, occasionally hitting Eukrasia to turn it into your dot.
Outside of tossing Kardia out at the start of the run and Taurochole and Haima as needed, I never even have to bother targeting anyone in the party. Kerachole and Physis will keep any non suicidal DPS from dying without me even needing to acknowledge that they exist or have taken damage.

You have a ton of tools to heal, so it can certainly look overwhelming from that angle, and yet you only need 7 of them because they refuse to design fights to actually need you to make full use of your kit outside of the highest end stuff. That's the major complaint healers have, is that we don't have the tools to engage with the game and the tools we do have aren't needed.

[Rehayem]

You can keep calling what I say nonsense, but you realize people have been doing no healer dungeon runs since quite literally ARR (thanks WAR). Taking that as a sign that your role is completely dead is the nonsense part, if you want to make that argument, you were always useless I suppose. You are clearly overreacting, and probably need to chill.

So you believe we should just sit back and accept things as they are? I mean, are you even reading what you're typing out? Back in ARR it may have been a challenge, but healers were absolutely in need at all times, not to mention the different kits they had back then compared to now. Did you even bother reading this thread regarding healer issues?

[Supersnow845]

You can keep calling what I say nonsense, but you realize people have been doing no healer dungeon runs since quite literally ARR (thanks WAR). Taking that as a sign that your role is completely dead is the nonsense part, if you want to make that argument, you were always useless I suppose. You are clearly overreacting, and probably need to chill.

And you know that in ARR no healer runs of dungeons required crowd control on the part of the DPS, the WAR to sit basically perpetually in tank stance and do next to no DPS while functionally single mob pulling while the BLM refreshed sleep constantly.

The problem is the immense creep. No healer runs have gone from literal meme challenges that took kit understanding from all 4 players and took 3 times as long as a healer run to “if your WAR knows where BW is your run will probably go faster without a healer”

Same as savage, tell a coils raider that a fight equivalent to T7S in difficulty was cleared with no healer and the entire coils set was cleared with 1 healer on patch and they would laugh in your face at the absurdity

The game shouldn’t physically allow no healer clears of ultimate (I don’t care how talented you are it should have been mathematically impossible) no other role has been fully excluded from on patch ultimates and no other role has been excluded in anything except UCOB which is 3 expansions old at this point. In casual content excluding a role shouldn’t gain you benefit, it should be a meme run that takes 70 minutes to do, like basically any run that excludes the DPS or the tank

[Banriikku]

First, yes this is needed. Yoshida can't be seriously thinking we wait again 3 years for a "maybe".

Second the whole argument around Ultimate is not the skill involved but the dismissive attitude from the "FACE of the FRANCHISE" towards a whole group of players of a job from the "HOLY TRRINITY" the game is PROMOTING.

They are tonedeaf and in need of a weak up call or they need to patch out the trinity. Decide but please stop with the "everybody needs to play everything".
NO, not all jobs or content is for everybody.
I cant or want to play NIN, does this mean the job needs patching? No, not from this perspective.
So stop patching healers towards and for people that don't even want to heal in the first place or would you make NIN for me ? No you would not, because it's stupid.