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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    You can just read through and see how many people call us names and also call us toxic because we're burdening the DPS players with longer queues, all because we choose to not play a role in an MMORPG.
    That's because you're working to actively organize a strike. A strike is a deliberate denial of services/products to those who rely on those services/products in an attempt to get an employer to make concessions to those striking.

    In other words, you're going to deliberately negatively impact their game experience as your bargaining chip to try to force SE into giving you something you want that but that does not benefit them.

    Did you really expect them to react positively?

    That's why I said earlier that a strike is the wrong way to do this. You'll be getting a lot more hostility from the general player base than sympathy if common knowledge of the strike spreads in game and enough players stop queueing as healers to mess with queue times.

    It would have been better to approach it as "I just don't enjoy healing anymore so I'm not going to play a healer in Dawntrail". That is relatable. That is something that anyone can get behind because in the end we're all here to have fun playing the game and it makes sense to stop doing things that aren't fun to you.

    There's one other problem in deciding to approach this as a strike. Strikes have an end and things go back to normal. Approaching it as a strike is a commitment to returning to healer once SE acknowledges that they've heard you and are considering your feedback.

    Healing isn't going to do a 180 this expansion unless SE already has it planned, in which case your strike comes off as spiteful because you were going to get what you want anyway.

    When it doesn't change, are you going to be able to get yourself to go back to queueing as a healer despite your extreme dislike for what healing has become?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    The intent of #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE is not to induce suffering. I really wish people would stop misconstruing the intent behind the protest as something vitriolic and vindictive. You have to keep in mind that many of us will be entering the queues as either DPS or tank and will deal with whatever consequences that may or may not arise as a result of the effort.
    It won't matter what you say your intent is. The only thing other players are going to care about is the impact it has considering what you want to get out of the strike will not benefit them.

    You can tell them that you'll be joining them in queues as tank or DPS but that doesn't mean they'll believe you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Turtledeluxe View Post
    Didn't you guys know? My discord is LAUGHING, SCOFFING, CRYING at the very idea of a strike!!! Stop it at once!! Maybe you don't know this since you're not terminally online like us, but strikes on JP games don't work!!!

    Like, think about it from the context of WoW. That game hasn't EVER experienced a downtrend based on player discontent!
    No one in WoW decided to organize a strike.

    They just quit the game on their own instead.

    I agree that something needs to be done about the state of the healer role in this game.

    The strike is not the way to do it. You are not employees nor is SE your employer. SE is still getting your money, they're fine. It's your fellow players that are being inconvenienced as you use them as your primary bargaining chip.
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    Last edited by Jojoya; 06-11-2024 at 03:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
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    Strike or not, we are players who are choosing not to play a role, as is our right. If other players are inconvenienced by this choice? Well, they won't, didn't you see how many people are adopting a "Bye, no one will miss you" attitude in this very thread? Clearly they don't need us to queue, so I don't know why you're here claiming we're disrupting anyone.

    Also, "not reacting positively" is very different from "being an arse". Some people are clearly dipping into the latter category. Are you saying it's ok to be rude to people and then justify it with "Well, you can hardly expect me to react positively!"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    You are the minority
    Hmm yes, the "yOu ArE tHe MiNoRiTy" argument, my favourite. Clearly this is a very provable argument considering that everyone likes to use it? Surely you have the hard data to back you up, hmm?

    And now you're going to either not reply or deflect with "SE has the data".
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    Last edited by Aravell; 06-11-2024 at 03:30 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post

    No one in WoW decided to organize a strike.

    They just quit the game on their own instead.
    There's effectively no difference in this context. I've never even played WoW, but watched it tumble down simply due to players banding together and agreeing on a mutual course of action (to stop playing). It wasn't like it was some random coincidence and no one talked about it. It was talked about on every platform extensively and people aired their grievances with one another.

    The way you describe it, it's as though one person left at a time and then they eventually all met up and streamers started making content like "Hey wow we all unsubbed I guess, let's start covering this". No, that is not what happened at all.
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    Last edited by Turtledeluxe; 06-11-2024 at 10:25 PM.