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  1. #101
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    Rehayem's Avatar
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Malboro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    LOL please, This is NOT a combat focused MMO, it's Story-driven and boy I have been playing this game A LOT longer than you so yes, you are the pathetic one, I'm a day 1 1.0 player, and I play this game with my husband, The difference between us, I still play this game for fun, not as a job or my second life or in some cases with a few on this forum their first lives, If I stop enjoying the game, I walk away and come back later on, simple.
    No one called you pathetic, yet you're going out of your way to insult by calling Supersnow845 pathethic. What does that give you? So since you've played since 1.0, that means you remember how healers were pre SHB and how many players want, for example, SCH to go back to its SB iteration (same as AST), so why is it wrong for many other players to be dissatisfied with healers, especially if they started in ShB or EW? If those healers are complaining about it since the new healer changes, why is that wrong? Why is it wrong to be this dissatisfied because you've played since 1.0? I've been playing MMORPGs since 2005 and in all of those games I've played healer, they had more engagement than what we have now.
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  2. #102
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sensui View Post
    I'm gonna go against the grain here and say they gave DPS and Tanks more mits and self heals cuz healers are too busy spamming glare rather than healing and we're tired of dying to raid wides.

    *ducks*
    You should die to a raidwide if the healer is not healing or shielding. That is one of the skillchecks of a healer and healers need them too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    Get your tanks to stop using their active defensive and healing abilities. I was healing a tank that used 0 defensives through Tower of Zot the other night. Can't remember the last time I had to use so many GCD heals.
    I agree there's more to heal when tanks don't use their skills. Now if only Square would take away most of those excessive defensives and healing skills from tanks - then all dungeons would be as engaging to heal as your recent Tower of Zot run.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 06-09-2024 at 06:26 PM.
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  3. #103
    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Nanapie Kimura
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    No one called you pathetic, yet you're going out of your way to insult by calling Supersnow845 pathethic. What does that give you? So since you've played since 1.0, that means you remember how healers were pre SHB and how many players want, for example, SCH to go back to its SB iteration (same as AST), so why is it wrong for many other players to be dissatisfied with healers, especially if they started in ShB or EW? If those healers are complaining about it since the new healer changes, why is that wrong? Why is it wrong to be this dissatisfied because you've played since 1.0? I've been playing MMORPGs since 2005 and in all of those games I've played healer, they had more engagement than what we have now.
    Read his post again, he said I called him pathetic in the original post which I did not so in that post I confirmed it for him to make him feel better.

    Also let me just point out, on these forums you are a minority, most people are just happily playing the game, the people here complaining are ALWAYS complaining and wonder why the SE Devs steer away from these forums, you are not a majority by a large margin so don't go believing you are.
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    Last edited by Kathryn; 06-09-2024 at 06:25 PM.

  4. #104
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    Also let me just point out, on these forums you are a minority, most people are just happily playing the game, the people here complaining are ALWAYS complaining and wonder why the SE Devs steer away from these forums, you are not a majority by a large margin so don't go believing you are.
    This is a fallacy. Just because people are quietly playing the game does not mean they're happy, it just means they haven't hit the threshold where they give voice to their problems yet.

    We may not be the majority here, but neither are you. The community is not a hivemind.
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  5. #105
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    Yasu Naoya
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    Read his post again, he said I called him pathetic in the original post which I did not so in that post I confirmed it for him to make him feel better.
    I'd like to see your reasoning how telling people that you've been playing from 1.0 benefits any healer here. The complaints are valid and we more than enough posts given how to improve the current healer situation. Yes, we can take a break and come back to play the game later, or hell, play a different job for all we care, but the complaints are there to raise awareness to the major issue at hand that has been ignored since ShB release.

    Healers have valid complains, people tell them to quit healer and/or play something else.
    Healers quit being healers, people call them being childish and/or pathethic because they're dissatisfied.

    Okay, so what do we do?
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  6. #106
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    I’d just like to point out I’m also a legacy player so it’s not even like you are pulling rank on me, I’m just as old as you
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  7. #107
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    Merrigan's Avatar
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    Merrigan Gilgard
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    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kathryn View Post
    There's not much real difference between pressing 1121 and by pressing 1234, if you believe there is there's something psychologically wrong with you, all classes are in the same boat and if you find this boring you'll find tanking and dps boring aswell...
    Although there's definitely always been this aspect on mmorpg forums, the healers really need to be reworked. And no, the ‘other classes are affected too’ argument isn't an argument (especially as it's a lie for a lot of jobs).

    The fact that 90% of the time spent as a healer consists of spamming a key (litteraly), that in most of the content you spend your time wishing people were bad, and that there's a very clear curve that consists of getting bored as soon as you dare to master one of the classes (Scholar would tend to escape this rule a bit more?) should be good indicators.
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  8. #108
    Player Kathryn's Avatar
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    Nanapie Kimura
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 28
    Quote Originally Posted by Rehayem View Post
    I'd like to see your reasoning how telling people that you've been playing from 1.0 benefits any healer here. The complaints are valid and we more than enough posts given how to improve the current healer situation. Yes, we can take a break and come back to play the game later, or hell, play a different job for all we care, but the complaints are there to raise awareness to the major issue at hand that has been ignored since ShB release.

    Healers have valid complains, people tell them to quit healer and/or play something else.
    Healers quit being healers, people call them being childish and/or pathethic because they're dissatisfied.

    Okay, so what do we do?
    I dont care what you do, quit for all I care i just find it hilarious you all think you are some sort of movement that will bring change to a game thats not changed it formula for years and is probably looking to go more casual because thats where the money really is.

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’d just like to point out I’m also a legacy player so it’s not even like you are pulling rank on me, I’m just as old as you
    Then you should know better.
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  9. #109
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    Rein_eon_Osborne's Avatar
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    Mira Clearweaver
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    Jenova
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    Conjurer Lv 90
    Well SE told me to come to forum to leave feedback so here I am

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  10. #110
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    Oscarlet Oirellain
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    Jenova
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    One thing I've thought about is if they just let people switch jobs in dungeons, so the healer can switch to RDM, or in some cases the tank can switch to DPS because of the sync being a joke.

    Or they could let the party initiate a vote to make the dungeon harder; if they vote yes, there are buffs to the damage output and other mechanics, in exchange for greater rewards (higher tomestones).

    If the vote wins ie. 3 players vote yes, they must be pretty confident in their ability to carry the sprout/returner through it. On the other hand, if there are 2 sprouts/returners there, maybe they both aren't confident enough for the difficulty setting and will vote against.
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