The problem with Tripling Down on Shadowbringers Job Design

[Mikey_R]

I hard disagree with your hard disagree. All the classes in PVE play similar to a DPS Warrior. But hey whatever mental gymnastics you need to do to sleep at night. All I see is a poor strawman argument.

I answered your question. If the best you can retort is "No you are wrong" without rebuking with facts and reason then you have no argument. And given your response you are set in your ways. Good day to you.

you're the one who made the initial claim that all jobs played the same, so it is technically down to you to explain how they are the same, however, let's humour you.

Raid buffs, not every job has a raid buff, notably most healers and tanks, however it also extends to DPS with SAM, MCH and BLM having no raid buffs.

The 2 minute burst is problematic, yes, however, not all jobs technically burst every 2 minutes. Paladin as an example has no 2 minute cooldowns, so their 1 minute burst is the same as their 2 minute burst, so it is technically a 1 minute job, this would also apply to the old PLD.

Even jobs like Monk, Dark Knight and Ninja don't technically fully commit to the 2 minute burst as they have cooldowns which have a 90 second recast time on them, which means everything lines up every 6 minutes, though most of it is every 2 minutes.

5 action fell cleave window. Ignoring it is now 3 fell cleaves per Inner Release, this isn't true either. Even the job most compared to War in that regard, DRK, has other things to consider before you get to pressing Delirium that Warrior doesn't have to consider. However, again, not every job has '3 fell cleave button'. Monk, Dragoon, Samurai, Ninja, Reaper, Black Mage (they have more to consider than just no thought Fire 4 spam), bard, Machinist.

This is also forgetting the fact you have focused on very very little of the job's kit. Burst every 2 minutes (of which even the 2 minute raid buffs are different) and one button fell cleave equivalent. Okay, what about how the job builds resources in order to execute the bursts, how do jobs spend their time between bursts, do they have mini bursts at 1 minute, 30 seconds, are there things you need to plan ahead before going into burst, etc.

By making such generalised statements, that you haven't even checked to see whether it is true or not, you have failed to think about what you are saying. This is partly why I said I disagreed with your statement and only scratches the surface of why jobs are different.

i guess that means it's your move.