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    Acelin Louvel
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    Ravana
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The idea that SCH’s are “healer summoners” is flawed because neither SCH nor SMN summons the same way that ACN does nor do either summon the same way as each other. Arguably despite its gameplay being the most pet based SCH doesn’t even summon, lily is the constant companion of the SCH, you can away her and summon her back but summoning is not actually part of SCH’s lore beyond lily being an independent aetheric construct

    So having an “ultimate summon” when summoning is barely part of the identity is flawed in it of itself. Is seraph lily? Is seraph something borne entirely of your own aether? Is seraph neither? Is the fairy in angel wings even Seraph? If not what’s her connection to us? Are LB3’s even canon lore beyond just a massive release of dynamis? Like the old astral statis lore implied we actually moved into a different timeline where the people we rezzed weren’t downed. That has 102059601062968286 lore problems associated with the doomed graha timeline and the elpis loop. So can we even say LB3’s are actually canon in what they do as an action

    Seraph just has no real lore grounding outside of “we gave SMN Phoenix better give SCH a new “summon” (read rouse repackage) as well”. Every other part of SCH’s kit fits within itself neatly except for seraph. If they wanted SCH to be a fairy mage they would have written the lore far differently. Seraph is just dicey as an entity herself and then seraphism is diceyness on diceyness
    Yes it is the same fairy from the LB, and is even included in the HW artbook.

    While true that your fairies aren't arcane entities born from your own aether like ACN does, it still operates on the same concept. The SCH forge bonds with fairies then use the soulstone to summon them (from Encyclopaedia Eorzea). And Seraph is the ultimate form of the fairies. Selene/Eos are both the same fairy but with a different form.

    Our soulstone is Surito Curito's, and so, the fairy is Lily, and the Seraph is also Lily, just her ultimate, most powerful form.

    Angel feathers has its own section in the first EE, with a quote from a SCH about how they thought they will die when their fairy sprouted angel wings and saved them from their fatal wounds.

    AST lore has nothing to do with this, and G'raha's timeline shenanigans are an entirely seperate issue. Plot holes always open up when you bring timelines but that is an entirely different can of worms that has nothing to do with SCH and is in no way connected to the discussion. There already exists "102059601062968286 lore problems" with the introduction of Dynamis and time travel, but none of these are relevant.

    You can dislike the transformation, but it is in no way lore inaccurate or in clash with the job's identity, that is my point, SCH always had angelic connections, since ARR.
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    Last edited by the-kuponut; 05-22-2024 at 01:37 AM.