Before you power level noobs

[Teia]

Is OP trolling? Because even without a PL you can lvl a job to 50 in a couple days.

Yeah, but somehow you're more "pure" if you mindlessly grind on trash mobs to 50 rather than sit back and let others mindlessly grind trash mobs to 50. That way, you somehow know how to play your class better in endgame.

Fun fact, first time I ever used WAR for tanking, I'd never really tanked before. I leveled MRD before the class overhaul, so I had nothing to draw on for playing the class. I took a minute, looked at my action bar and the skills I had available to me (and what I could cross-class), proceeded to work out a basic strategy, and then never lost hate. While keeping up in the parse. Despite mediocre-at-best gear (Ifrit axe + full AF + jewelry) and no prior WAR tanking experience. Was I spectacular? Not really. But there was no denying I was competent.

Good players save time by being PLed. Bad players wouldn't learn anything anyway.

[Xakery]

Good players save time by being PLed. Bad players wouldn't learn anything anyway.

then why do i see dumb asses at 50 knowing nothing?

[Peptaru]

Stuff.

To draw on just a part of what you said, I'm glad you can tank on warrior. I'm not supporting the OP or attacking you, but anyone can tank on warrior. 4 > 5 > 1 2 3 > 1 2 3 > 6 > 1 2 3... failing that, put up rampage and just hit 1 2 3 over and over.

There are better examples to use than tanking on warrior i mean to say.

[Eliseus]

then why do i see dumb asses at 50 knowing nothing?

L2Read. Good players save time by being PLed. Bad players wouldn't learn anything anyway.

[HiirNoivl]

I am not calling power leveled people morons, but I'm sick and tired of lazy gamers wanting/getting a quick fix so they think they can do moogle / Ifrit or current end game dungeons or material. I take this game very seriously and when I join primal fight parties, that say they are veterans, when they don't know their cudgel from their quiver and I just end up wasting time that I could have been doing something else, besides teaching 50's how to play.
If you can't see where I'm coming from GTFO. I'm just angry, which is the general mood for my posts. I think a lot can be learned from doing leves, getting in and forming parties, seeking guidance, and grinding things out.
I sit in Uldah, not only to black list idiots, but to spot that shout for people searching for something. If it is spam ls shout, I direct them to the Balmung ls list. If it is people seeking a party spam, I encourage them to do leves until more get online their level, make their own, or some easy solo locations.
Saying that people are morons from getting power leveled 1-50 or that good players grind 1-50 was not my point of this thread. I'm just sick and tired of lazy people getting PLed only to be taught in end game situations by veterans who have to babysit, and perform above par because of a 8 man party that actually feels like a 5 man suicide.

Life, Do you need it?

[Wevlum]

the gtfo was a joke and i send people tells directing them to sites unless it is PL spam shouts for seeking or recruitment. In the later cases I shout a few then just blacklist all who argue. It makes my world a lot more quiet.
What do you mean by skeletons fish?

People don't live for a 1000 years...tl;dr after the first 100 you're probably just force feeding a skeleton.

"I shout a few then just blacklist all who argue" you'd make an awesome motivational speaker.

[Teia]

To draw on just a part of what you said, I'm glad you can tank on warrior. I'm not supporting the OP or attacking you, but anyone can tank on warrior. 4 > 5 > 1 2 3 > 1 2 3 > 6 > 1 2 3... failing that, put up rampage and just hit 1 2 3 over and over.

There are better examples to use than tanking on warrior i mean to say.

You realize this was exactly my point, right? It's not meant to be some kind of "I'm so awesome." It's meant to be more like "somehow despite being PLed I'm not some kind of mouthbreathing gimp."

[Wevlum]

L2Read. Good players save time by being PLed. Bad players wouldn't learn anything anyway.

We've tried to explain why grind parties don't prepare you for the current endgame content several times. I think it's just a lost cause. If OP just doesn't like PL that's fine it's just OP seems to think PL makes you inherently a worse player despite fact tons of people they've passed in Ul or partied with have been PLed and they have no idea unless OP is handing out a questionnaire prior to all runs.

[Peptaru]

You realize this was exactly my point, right? It's not meant to be some kind of "I'm so awesome." It's meant to be more like "somehow despite being PLed I'm not some kind of mouthbreathing gimp."

My point was that even a PL'd mouth-breathing gimp can tank on warrior so its not a good example to highlight the difference between the afore mentioned mouth-breathers and others.

[Teia]

My point was that even a PL'd mouth-breathing gimp can tank on warrior so its not a good example to highlight the difference between the afore mentioned mouth-breathers and others.

I've seen WARs who couldn't tank to save their lives. The kind that try to tank Ifrit in like a Mythril Bhuj and Kokoroon Mail and don't know how to use abilities. In all seriousness, those tend to be the kinds of players who don't get PLed so much as they leech off their betters in exp parties. If the OP is going to whine about PLing specifically and act as if normal leveling is automatically better than PLing, it's fair to point out that neither is really any better than the other at teaching people how to play in endgame.

If your idea of a mouth-breathing gimp can tank on WAR, then I'm talking about a class of gimp beneath even that.