Before you power level noobs

[Xakery]

I'm tired of arguing power levelers and stating the obvious. I saw more shouts last night and was thinking about it. Then this old parable came to mind: Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years.
I just think we are just ruining this game. I'm sure most/ all were helped out or power leveled in some form or the other. We've all taken advantages of glitches in this game, but had to relearn our jobs. I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players.
Everyone can't have it easy. Just look at what ffxi is today. I hear it is a joke now. Let's not make this awesome game the joke the 11 is today.

[Istaro]

It seems everytime I see you post a thread it's complaining about somthing...

[Xakery]

It seems everytime I see you post a thread it's complaining about somthing...

there is a lot I complain about. At least I'm not complaining about this awesome game. I just hate people.

[prymortal]

i know what your saying & your right & wrong ~ in the correct ways

Some of us got offered PL & we took it, if we didn't we would of left because it was so boring & hard to level but after doing your first level & PL'ing your second alot of people decided to do leves, exp partys & grind to level up the other classes, But when it comes down to it theres not enough missions to help level you up, theres a limit on leve's which doesn't help, theres a limit on anima which also doesn't help. So you always want to PL yourself & others at times.

& then theres the beggers! begging for PL for every class, job, everything who ruin for the ones actuly playing the game.

Next time you see beggers constantly shouting you should copy it & paste on the loadstone

[Xakery]

Next time you see beggers constantly shouting you should copy it & paste on the loadstone

I just blacklist 'em

[Wevlum]

I'm tired of arguing power levelers and stating the obvious. I saw more shouts last night and was thinking about it. Then this old parable came to mind: Give a man a fish feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish feed him 1000 years.
I just think we are just ruining this game. I'm sure most/ all were helped out or power leveled in some form or the other. We've all taken advantages of glitches in this game, but had to relearn our jobs. I just think it would be more fitting if the veteran's give advice to the newer generation of players.
Everyone can't have it easy. Just look at what ffxi is today. I hear it is a joke now. Let's not make this awesome game the joke the 11 is today.

Ok but only because you said so.
> telling people how they're allowed to play a game

Newbies aren't idiots that have to be taught how to fish and so they don't need our enlightenment to learn how to play a job. There are 2 types of people, those that learn how to play their job and those that don't. Power level isn't what determines that, it's the player themselves because we have something called agency.

[Viddiot]

I understand all points. I can agree with the OP who loves the game and doesn't want the experienced ruined for people. I have never been offered a PL. It is also very pain staking trying to gain enough lvl's so i can continue the story (Wich by the way is awesome in my opinion). I have wanted to quit many times because it just seems to impossible at times to reach lvl 50, but the higher lvls around me, and the story keeps me playing. I see the potential FF14 has, and I see all the cool things that come with being a higher lvl and I want those things for myself. So I grind my Leve's day after day ( with a break here and there.) waiting for contact from a guild signaling the start of a new main quest. My only gripe is FF14 doesn't have the amount of quest's I'm use to in other MMO's. Maybe that's what sets FF14 apart from the rest. Just gets hard and tedious, and boring at times, specially since most ppl on my server speak everything but English.

[Zenaku]

Ok but only because you said so.
> telling people how they're allowed to play a game

Newbies aren't idiots that have to be taught how to fish and so they don't need our enlightenment to learn how to play a job. There are 2 types of people, those that learn how to play their job and those that don't. Power level isn't what determines that, it's the player themselves because we have something called agency.

you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.

[Wevlum]

you can really tell a diff from a player who was powerlevel and a player who was not. I don't know how many time i left party or not even did ifrit with people because all they did was powerlevel each other they did not know how to play the game at all.

Those people chose not to read up on their job and teach themselves how to use it. It's silly to suggest that learning to play a job can only exclusively be done via grinding when often endgame content is very different to how grind parties work.

On whm in grind parties i basically used prism+stoneskin and the other whm used prism+regen and that was it...that's all the healing that was required. Also how many grind parties have you been in where 1) the person does something stupid and 2) learns nothing from the experience? "Oh hey don't wander off alone or you'll die" x100. Ifrit is not a lesson in how to play your job for anything other than whm and tank, Ifrit is a lesson in how to combat SE mechanic limitations such as animation lock and latency. Besides all of 3 jobs get used in pickups for that fight anyway.

Grind parties do not offer you something you cannot get elsewhere; you can read forums, read job guides, go out and solo some leves/nms and still be just as competent as someone who took grind parties from level 1-50. Power leveling is just blindly pointed to as something that makes 'bad players'. I don't even 100% agree with power-leveling but the argument is flawed.

[Peptaru]

You had two whms in grind parties? That's a first, most groups shout for two hours to find a single healer.