Character graphical changes are NOT in an acceptable state, please make it optional

[Reinha]

Yes there are some other issues such as eyelashes and eyebrows. But face shapes, lip shapes... haven't drastically changed, at all.

They changed the shape, size and shine of my character's lips for absolutely no reason. Just because a dev doesn't like shiny plump lips I guess?? You can see there is a shadow (blue) where the lip model is but it was never colored in. The people who liked the thin lip look already had 3 other options to choose from and after this downgrade I'll have none.

[Alexa_Ivy]

Lips have completely changed.



It is not just lighting.

[4clubbedace]

the biggest complaint is that all lip color is in matte, without a gloss option

for most F characters this seems to be peoples biggest issue

[Nulstat]

Outside of some changes with the lips/jaw for female au ra face 1, I don't hate it. My biggest complaint about the raen women seems to have been fixed; they no longer have that awful skin color/scale bleed that made darker colored skin bleed into the edges of the scales, and the result made it overall look like rot. The scales pick up a slight tint from the skin and my silver girl has, at last, slightly silvered scales due to it. I didn't notice any artifacting, but I've seem male xaela mentioning it and I wonder if it's for all. Time to science!

Not really happy with the female miqo'te face 4 changes - the slight lip part and soot nose were key features and why I picked that face for that character, and I'm more than a little sad to see them gone/adjusted. I only played with face 2 keeper female's scars, but the scarring looks weird in a way I can't quite explain, probably that it feels weird for my dark-skinned keeper to have that light/bright of scarring.

I overall don't hate what I'm seeing, but I agree that there are a /lot/ of little things that need to be looked at and adjusted to salvage the individual personalities/identities of the individual faces. I'm also witholding a lot of more severe judgement in favor of seeing the models out and about in the world; my main looked better in the benchmark than in the cc for the benchmark. Lighting makes a difference.

Realistically, I don't spend a lot of time staring at my character's face. My keepers losing their fangs doesn't bug me, their mouths are rarely open that much for me to see it and I can imagine just fine. That doesn't discount that there are things that need to be reviewed, because there are. I hope they are, too. A couple of my characters aren't going to look right, not even with a fantasia. A couple look the same, but better.

[Fleur]

I don't visit the forums much, but wanted to post some feedback.

Midlander Females: I am very happy with the way Midlander females look, specifically face 5 (the one that was added in ARR). I was planning on fantasia'ing back to Midlander for Dawntrail, and having looked at her in the benchmark I am very excited! I really like her skin texture and the brightness of her eyes. The eyes on this face have a tendency to look like dark soulless pits or deer-in-the-headlights, and IMHO they look more alive now. I did notice that the eye colors seem lighter in general, but since a good chunk of the eye colors available range from "dark" to "staring into the void", this should be an easy fix for anyone that prefers their darker eyes.

Female Miqo'te: IMHO their normally full, rounded cheeks are especially emphasized with this update. I'm glad I'm not going to be a Miqo'te when this update hits, though objectively they are still cute and in general they got a nice glowup.

Lip feedback (general): they do seem a bit less plump (boo!) and paler in general, and I feel like the lip colors are a little more matte and opaque which I am not a fan of. When I choose the "light" option I prefer the look of a tinted lip balm or a light gloss, not a pale lipstick.

Au Ra female eyes: the pupils look larger which I feel gives a more vacant look. They are already cute and have options for larger eyes, they don't need a more "doe eyed" effect from larger pupils. Combined with the less vivid limbal rings (which I personally like), I can see why people are complaining about their eyes looking dull and dead.

I hope SE makes some minor tweaks, but overall I am happy with the changes and think they are generally positive (with many being good, and some less so). I do feel for those that were unlucky and got changes they don't like for their characters. I may have gotten lucky this time, but when we went from 1.0 --> 2.0 my character's face changed just enough that I didn't like it anymore, and I wound up remaking her completely.

[CoinTossRelic]

This. I noted this in my own thread. If you zoom out, it looks like you're squinting. Combined with the lack of mouth shape/lips now my people look permanently constipated.

[Lami_Khatayin]

Yeah so, the Characters got 56 new Face Bones, so of course they "changed" some bit.
Square needs to work on some races, i cant complain about my Lalafell, i think its looks good. But Feedback is important and i hope they will work on some big problems.

[dan_alexandre]

Characters do seem to have baggy tired eyes in some lighting conditions compared to the old (bigger shadows below eyes i think contribute to this)

Overall I like a lot of the updates but there's some races that really need some tweaks here and there.

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[ChaunceyDlamini]

Do y'all think the dev team will respond to any of criticisms before DT releases? I wasn't current during Shadowbringers, I don't know if they showed the fixed male Viera posture before it released or if everyone found out when it went live.

[Novojane]

Seems Keeper Face 3 got hit pretty bad. Especially clan marks are an other issue on Face 3. While the other faces on Keeper have their marks partly more visible, Face 3 has them almost not visible at all anymore.
For my Face 3 Mooni during the close up in the benchmark when the ears are not visible she almost looks like a normal Midlander due to the clan marks being barely visible. And this feels extremely off...

As for the eyes...well. It's not as bad during the Benchmark itself but it's still slightly noticable with the eyes since they deffo lost their liveliness and look empty like "I've seen things...". It looks especially horrible with the Shroud lighting tho, I had better results with the Thanalan lighting. But the overall problem with the eyes is still present just not as bad.

oh noooo!! i hope for both our sakes some changes are coming!